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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | As I posted several times on this board, I have a CC65 (bought from MisterGolf007). The guitar looks and sounds great...except for the lack of bass/low end projection.
I've noticed that even using an electronic tuner, sometimes the bass E string does not even register. The high end harmonics come out much louder and clear than the low end.
I took the saddle off, and it appears that the thinline pick-up is working. The saddle is much thicker on the low end side (which I'm sure is by design). I was wondering how I might help bring out the low end stronger to be more equal with the high end electronics. Even by turning up the bass on my amp, the pick-up still brings out the high end at a much higher level.
Any thoughts? would shimming UNDER the pick-up, and shaving down the saddle (all on the bass end) help pick up the bass? Other thoughts?
Thanks for your input.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Good to see you Norsey!
I do know that having full and even contact under the peizos is critical. Look for potential gaps or uneven spots under the saddle and redo the shim for full contact. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Thanks for the advice MWoody, I will check that out. And thanks for the greeting! It's good to be posting with you as well. Due to work situations, I have been very limited on my posting, and my home computer is not working well.
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | Welcome back Norse(great one of the North)man1!
I've thought and asked about you several times. One of these days, we're all going to get "busted" for using corporate resources. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | full and even contact is necessary both top and bottom. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Would putting in a slightly softer material
work better the something hard? I don't know.
I know a bone saddle is better than plastic. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Nope.
The bridge just holds the saddle upright as well as anchoring the strings. It is the string pressure on top of the saddle, down to the piezo and through the top that matters.
Sonically, the more solid the contact in that chain the less loss of transferred energy (sound) takes place.
It may be that the piezo is damaged also.
If it is a thinline type I may have a backup for you to try? |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | I just had to replace a pickup for the very same reason. The piezo was damaged, with the result that some strings were picked up and some were not. It happens.... |
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Location: SoCal | I read in an interview with Adrian Legg that he's had individual crystals on Ovations go bad on him. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | One Piezo Saddle screaming towards the Norseman at the speed of USPS!!! Watch out for the after shock and the wake! |
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Location: Bratislava, Slovakia | Originally posted by Norseman1:
As I posted several times on this board, I have a CC65 (bought from MisterGolf007). The guitar looks and sounds great...except for the lack of bass/low end projection.
I've noticed that even using an electronic tuner, sometimes the bass E string does not even register. The high end harmonics come out much louder and clear than the low end.
I took the saddle off, and it appears that the thinline pick-up is working. The saddle is much thicker on the low end side (which I'm sure is by design). I was wondering how I might help bring out the low end stronger to be more equal with the high end electronics. Even by turning up the bass on my amp, the pick-up still brings out the high end at a much higher level.
Any thoughts? would shimming UNDER the pick-up, and shaving down the saddle (all on the bass end) help pick up the bass? Other thoughts?
Thanks for your input.
Norse(nice guitar...just need to beef her bottom a bit)man1 Hi.
I have the same problem. I bought CC65 from Germany. Bass on this guitar is at low frequences very low (acoustic also).
Is it possible to replace this thin pickup with any better Piezo ?
Why is acoustic response at lower frequences
also bad - deep bowl ???
Any ideas how to repair the body -see pictures on:
http://jusuf.host.sk/celebrity/
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Location: Boise, Idaho | The deep bowl should help the low end response, not hurt it. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | hows the acoustic response? is it unbalanced as well? |
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Location: Bratislava, Slovakia | I compared the response on Marshall AS100
for 12 string CC65 and 6 string Pinnacle 3862.
CC65 has a thin pickup, 3862 has an greater Piezo
pickup.
Acoustic response is not unbalanced, only deep tones are not so loud as the high tones (strings)
I will check contact with pickup on morning. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | The bowl depth shouldn't matter on the amplified sound. The thin pickup on my Collector's plays the low end as well as others with wider pickups. I'd guess you don't have good contact at the bottom of the bass end of your saddle. |
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Location: closely held secret | ...and Mark has experience in that area... ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Search for the words "idiot", "plastic thingy" and "Tim the Toolman" and you'll find a thread about how I screwed up my daughter's guitar. There are probably too many references to idiots on this board, but you should be able to find it. |
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Location: closely held secret | Mark, what matters is that it works when you get done. All other information is discretionary. |
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Location: Keller, TX | The CC65 I had for a while seems to be weak in the bass, even when acoustic only, not amplified. Maybe a design feature/flaw? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Just a guess but maybe the plywood tops don't resonate in the bass end like the solid ones ??? |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Dave
I tend to agree about your comments on the plywood/laminated tops. New they seem to sound fine..but when exposed to just houses elements (temp changes/humidity etc) I seem to be able to tell a difference in tone/ring |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My Matrix with a laminated spruce top booms on the bass end. The mid bowls that I have are both laminates and they don't have the bass punch. I assumed it was a function of the half inch shallower bowl, but maybe it's the type of laminate. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Also, string tension will affect bottom end. Heavier strings, more bottom. |
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Location: Bratislava, Slovakia | Pickup has a good contact to body.
It's sensitivity goes linear from high tone
string to low tone string down. Maybe is damaged or faulty - or placed vice versa ???
Cable from pickup is placed on thickest string.
I'm looking for new pickup. Which new thin type can i use? Maybe with tone corrections - please recommend me any good type. I will buy it in Europe. Any idea to destination shop ?
Please look also at:
http://jusuf.host.sk/celebrity/
Is it possible to repair cracks on polisch ?
Thank's for help.
Have a nice weekend. |
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