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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-16 1:23 PM (#150735)
Subject: I Need an Electrician!!!



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I recently acquired a Preacher Deluxe from Flea-bay and the electronics were none functioning. After unsoldering the obviously broken switches and receiving replacements from Customer Service (Thanks Guys!) I reinstalled the said switches.

Krackle, Pop, B-r-r-r-r-r-r-z-z-z-z-z, SKWA-A-A-A-A-A-A-W-K!!! !#$@^$%&#$#!!

I am not an Electrician!

I have the parts, two schematics - actually for the Breadwinner Deacon active circuitry, which should be the same thing.

Help!

Any Circuit Solder Junkies out there that can troubleshoot 30 year old transistors and what-have-yous?
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luthier444
Posted 2005-05-16 6:28 PM (#150736 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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Check all the little black transisters with the 2 or 3 gold pins coming out. One good shock and they are kaputski. Very sensitive.
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schroeder
Posted 2005-05-16 6:36 PM (#150737 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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Hey 444 - how's my guitar coming along? :D
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-16 7:45 PM (#150738 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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That would be the 3 each , Black, M2N 5459'ers with the 3 legs?

PC 61 - 46201-x FET Transistors 2N5459

Thanks!
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cruster
Posted 2005-05-16 7:59 PM (#150739 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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Or you could just replace the transistors with these from Mouser. They're a whopping $0.09 each. Double check the specs, though, before you order.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-16 8:37 PM (#150740 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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You Guys are the best friends a boy could have!
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schroeder
Posted 2005-05-17 4:05 PM (#150741 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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444?
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Waskel
Posted 2005-05-17 4:38 PM (#150742 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Too late, Schroeder. All the Oompa Loompas have gone to bed.
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schroeder
Posted 2005-05-17 4:49 PM (#150743 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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" Oompa Loompas" ? :confused:

(If that's an insult 444 - it wasn't me it was that pesky wabbit)
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-17 4:58 PM (#150744 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Badge Number.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-05-17 4:58 PM (#150745 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Never read Charlie & the Chocolate Factory?
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cruster
Posted 2005-05-17 5:02 PM (#150746 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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I thought it was Willy Wonka. Or Gene Wilder. Or something.

Offtopic: I don't think Rick James actually is playing the guitar on the video 'Hard to Get' or the bass on 'Super Freak.'
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Waskel
Posted 2005-05-17 5:10 PM (#150747 - in reply to #150735)
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The book was "Charlie & the Chocolate Factory".
The movie was "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory".

Now Tim Burton's remade it with Johnny Depp. Not sure that was neccessary. Gene Wilder was perfect in that role.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-27 10:33 PM (#150748 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Replaced the three each three legged little black thingys. Yes, I aimed them in the right direction.

Crackle, fizzzz, pop, @@%#@$~@#!

Help!

Any Circuit Solder Junkies out there that can troubleshoot 30 year old transistors and what-have-yous?
Have schematic, will travel!
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BruDeV
Posted 2005-05-27 11:20 PM (#150749 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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Do any of the controls have any effect on the noise?
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-27 11:23 PM (#150750 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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The tone pot can create some crackle at the end. I'm thinking the caps are next to go.
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BruDeV
Posted 2005-05-27 11:26 PM (#150751 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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1) The two circled contacts in the corner are the switch for the battery. Short them together and see if the noise goes away.

2) The other two circled contacts on the side of the board are the ones used for the level equalization for the tone circuit. If #1 above doesn't help, short those together and see if the noise goes away.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-28 12:31 AM (#150752 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Let me be more precise. There is some "air" sound at full volume.

1) The two circled contacts in the corner are the switch for the battery. Short them together and see if the noise goes away.

Response: The air sound disappears. silence.

2) The other two circled contacts on the side of the board are the ones used for the level equalization for the tone circuit. If #1 above doesn't help, short those together and see if the noise goes away.

Response: This causes a lot of noise. Any time I get my finger or a tool near this areas it makes noise. Contact with the lead to the pot closest to the corner (yellow), or the post, causes a loud noise.

I also noted the Mauve circle area on mine has those four leads soldered together while yours look separated.
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BruDeV
Posted 2005-05-28 1:20 AM (#150753 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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1) Sounds like you've got a dirty switch in the jack.

2) Try touching the two side contacts again with the tone control turn all the way bass. In that configuration You should have the same response on both pads. If you don't the tone control is probably bad.

The mauve (MAUVE!) section IS soldered together. Just has some resin on it.

Also: an easy way to check if the pickups are putting anything out is to tap them with a screw driver.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-05-28 9:00 AM (#150754 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!



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Touching the side contacts makes noise in all positions of the Tone Pot, (even changes tone).

I get no string sound from the pickups. With my finger on the board I get PU snap by tapping the PU. Without touching the board there is no snap.

I will see what I can do about the jack.

Thanks Brudev!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-05-28 9:16 AM (#150755 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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This is better than a Hitchcock film. I'm on the edge of my seat...
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Bailey
Posted 2005-05-30 2:05 AM (#150756 - in reply to #150735)
Subject: Re: I Need an Electrician!!!


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I, like Jeff W, have become totally engulfed in this mystery, even though I have no solution to offer. My '66 Fender Mustang has a mild case of the same disease, maybe this will provide a cure or at least an excuse when it makes wierd sounds. I wish I could learn from this and cure some of MY weird sounds.
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