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xnoel
Posted 2005-11-08 5:06 PM (#130216)
Subject: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Wow! Nice addition Al. Having never been to Joisey, I didn't think there was that much open space left there.
Always enjoy the letter and pics.
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alpep
Posted 2005-11-08 7:35 PM (#130217 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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thanks. This thing is going to kill me....btw anyone know anything about electrical work?????
looks like I may be stuck doing it all myself no matter how I try not to
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2005-11-08 7:48 PM (#130218 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Bare copper or green is Ground: *usually* OK to touch.

White: they call it "neutral" but it can blast you if it's the only return path on a live circuit.

Black (or other colors): Youch!!

Are you putting in a sub-panel, or did you have room for more breakers in the main panel? :p :D
Usually just cause you have room, does not mean you have enough current capacity.

Seriously AL, if it's just residential kind of stuff (lights and outlets) get a do it yourself book from Home Depot, and go for it.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-11-08 8:52 PM (#130219 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Originally posted by alpep:
....btw anyone know anything about electrical work?????
Yes.
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Mike O
Posted 2005-11-08 10:10 PM (#130220 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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I've done a lot of wiring in our church renovation and the two tools you literally can't live without are: a current detector pen (has a flashing red light and beeps like crazy when near a hot AC line) and a 3 prong plug in tester (to ensure the hot, ground and nuetral are hooked up right. Stay safe....

Mike O
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alpep
Posted 2005-11-09 6:39 AM (#130221 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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i need to know how to prepare boxes for rough inspection. I can make it all work and have many times over but I don;t know what an inpsector looks for.
I had a guy in yesterday (a friend of a friend)who gave me some pointers but then hit me with an unbelieveably high price to finish the rough out (after I already ran 90% of the wires drilled all the holes etc.
He did recommend nailing plates on the 2 x 4 stud walls. the other 3 walls are 2 x 6.
well looks like I am running more wire myself today until I find someone I can afford.

btw 110 shocks are not hard to take it is the 220 and 420 that I worry about
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Weaser P
Posted 2005-11-09 7:07 AM (#130222 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Originally posted by alpep:
...it is the 220 and 420 that I worry about
Thankfully, they don't hurt for very long.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-11-09 8:52 AM (#130223 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Al,
The best thing in the world to do is, go to the township and ask for advice and a copy of the inspection requirements. BOCA manual is very useful as well.

outlet location and gfi requirements are important to know. If you are adding a panel, placement, breaker and grounding requirements need be met.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-11-09 9:04 AM (#130224 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter



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Sounds like good advice, Jeff.
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alpep
Posted 2005-11-09 9:09 AM (#130225 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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jeff
I have all that info, a friend drew up plans and specs. I have most of the wire run I just need to know how to make a box look good for the inspector.
like I said I can make it work but I have no clue what an inspector is looking for
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cliff
Posted 2005-11-09 9:12 AM (#130226 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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". . I just need to know how to make a box look good for the inspector. . ."

Tape a Fifty to it.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-11-09 9:28 AM (#130227 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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Rough-in is pretty easy. Make sure your boxes are set proud so the plates go easy on the dry wall.
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2005-11-09 12:44 PM (#130228 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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If you are daisey chaining the romex from box to box, cut it and "pigtail" your hook up wires for the receptical (instead of stripping both and just pushing them into the holes on the back of the outlet). Make sure all the boxes are the correct height, and like bongo boy said; they need to stick out the thickness of the drywall from the 2x's. Nailing "dottie straps" to the 2x4's where ever you hole-hogged them is a good idea too.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2005-11-09 12:51 PM (#130229 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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And Waskel thinks lawyers talk funny. Pigtails, dottie straps and hole-hogs.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-11-09 1:13 PM (#130230 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter



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Yeah, electricians and plumbers definitely talk funnier than either lawyers or computer geeks.
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willard
Posted 2005-11-09 1:37 PM (#130231 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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ok...retired electrician here...pig-tailing IS a good idea and the inspectors like to see it. You need at least 6 inches of wire out of the box(8 would be better) and be sure to "roll" your wires into the box don't just stuff them in. Keep your whites and grounds on one side of the box, they go on the same side of the outlets) and the blacks on the other. You should have a staple on the wire within 8" of the box. Nail plates just keep the sheetrock screws from piercing the romex. They should be just about everywhere the wire comes close to the side of a 2x4. You shouldn't need them in 2x6's unless you got too close to the edge.
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Weaser P
Posted 2005-11-09 5:31 PM (#130232 - in reply to #130216)
Subject: Re: Alpep Nov. Newsletter


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I always work with a partner when I do my electrical jobs. Here's a shot of George on our last job.

Unfortunately the ultimate goal wasn't met...
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