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Location: Warren,Pa. | Maybe someone has asked this question before. Maybe it was me. I forget completly.
Now that I have this 1581 (which maybe I'll be allowed to keep), I'm looking at using it instead of my 1115. What I would like is a piece of equipment that will make my 6 string sound like a 12 string VERY CONVINCINGLY. It would be nice if it also eliminated feedback, replaced my direct box, and could produce some other effects besides the 12 string. |
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Location: Vermont USA | Hi John I use a chorus, and a delay pedal it's about all that I need. Sometimes if I want some bite I have a bad monkey I use these are all digitech pedals. The delay and chorus are of the X series.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | To get a realistic sounding 12 you would need a synth of some sort. I really like the Roland VG-88 but you would have to equip the guitar with a GK Kit to use it.
I think some of the newer Boss or Zoom stuff may have 12 string emulation but I don't know how realistic they sound. |
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Location: NJ | My ART pedal has a "pitch shift" which doubles (either above or below) the original, but it does it either a third or a fifth over/under the note, as opposed to an octave . . .
I have yet to hear a pedal that can do a realistic 12-sound. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | The only thing that can do this would be the Electro Harmonix POG. About $300. You'll have to spend tons more to get a realistic effect otherwise.
But I've only seen the POG in action with electrics, not acoustics. But I don't see why it wouldn't work. It might be worth taking your acoustic down to a dealer who has a POG and trying it out, otherwise go with this setup:
Sansamp => compressor => reverb => chorus => PA
Or in lieu of sansamp
compressor => light overdrive => reverb
One of those will give you a nice rich sound.
Let me add, that sound is such a personal thing, that you really have to test each link in your system yourself. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Let me add that the only reverb pedal for under $100 I like is the digiverb.
Do you guys have recommendations about overdrive and compression? |
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Location: Vermont USA | an4340 The Bad Monkey for overdrive has some very nice tone IMHO
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I'm going done to GC tomorrow to test it out. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Fulltone ODC....kicks serious ass off of every pedal in or below it's price range.
an4340, if you are interested, I have about 15 vintage pedals that I am going to be putting on ebay someday. About 6-7 are very good OD/Compression pedals. Email me off board if you want a list and to discuss. |
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Location: Orange County, California | John,
I spent a few minutes at GC playing around with an old BOSS GS-10 multi-effects console. I was able to make a pretty convincing 12 string simulator by combining the PS-5 (pitch shift) and DD-2 Digital delay. it wasn't hard to make and save the patch for "one button recall" either. You should be able to emulate a 12 with any good multi effects box. Was it super-duper-realistic sounding? No. did it sound like a really cool 12 string effect? absolutely!! It would actually do things and make sounds that a 12 string couldn't. Go play with some stomp boxes, It'll be fun, and you might find just what you're looking for. :D |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | What Fred said. I use my old SPX-90 set for octave, and a few milliseconds delay. In some senses, it's slightly better than a 12 string. Buried in the mix you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
And I bet you can't play riffs and bends on your 12 string! (Glen Campbell need not reply....) |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by bauerhillboy:
...make my 6 string sound like a 12 string VERY CONVINCINGLY. 6 more strings and 6 more tuners??? :D |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | The Yamaha Magicstomp Acoustic, is an all out digital processor with presets setup for acoustic tones, but it'll pretty much do any thing you want. It also has on the fly, pushbutton feedback buster. Magicstomp Acoustic they are a close out item, so you might even chew'em down a bit. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | There's a reason why the Magic Stomp is discontinued. As I found out, the tweakability is very difficult and the wall warts (at least the one I had) click and hum noisely eventually smoking. And if you've never seen a wall wart smoke, it's not a pretty sight. |
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Location: closely held secret | You can find the AG Stomp (the original acoustic version) on ebay. I got one for Christmas and I'm very happy with it. Limiter, chorus/delay, reverb and a very nice mic simulation. |
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Location: NJ | is there an XLR out?? |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | John, yours looks to be alot easier to tweek than mine, I just use the presets on mine so far. I've had it about a year, no problems.
I just don't have a lot of time to play with the buttons... |
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Location: NJ | . . . I don't think they make one with a zipper . . . |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | yeah, a zipper would be nice, mine doesn't have an XLR out, either... :rolleyes: |
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Location: closely held secret | Sadly, no, the AG Stomp doesn't have an XLR out. I wish it did.
I have to admit, I bought this (well, ok, asked for it for Christmas - in reality the same thing) primarily because Schroeder had bought one and seemed to be quite taken with it. I've tried so many different pedals, and for acoustic guitar they've all been lacking, even the ones "designed" for acoustic. This one gives me a very nice "mic'd" sound (condenser) which while not as good as an actual mic, doesn't include the ambient noise (such as me banging into the mic all the time).
The chorus/delay and reverb are decent quality as well. The limiter is handy, tightens things up much like a compressor on the peaks.
No zipper, either. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | I poked around the web for info on the AG Stomp. I read that, while there is no XLR out, the 1/4' out is balanced. The unit comes with a 1/4" to XLR adapter to effectively give you XLR out.
Does that sound right? I have no experience with this stuff. It does sound to me like the AG Stomp is what I'm after. Like my $300 digital camera, it will di 300 things...of which I'll use 5. That's OK with me. John <>{ |
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Location: closely held secret | I bought mine off ebay, it didn't come with that adaptor, though it wouldn't be hard to build one. It would be nice to have.
John, all I know is it's the nicest pedal I've found for acoustic. There very well may be better, but I haven't seen them.
I can't speak for the durability of the ac adapter because I've only had it for a couple weeks, but most adapters can be replaced.
I do like the sounds I'm getting out of it.
btw, congrats on the Adamas. Keep it! |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I use a Zoom A2.1u Acoustic Effects Pedal. It has a 12-string emulation, along with a BUNCH of other great effects that I'm more than happy with. It also has an XLR output along with the 1/4 so you can choose. You can also input/modify every effect in the thing to make your own set of effects, like delay, chorus, phaser, and more. here's a link to one on Ebay. You can also look it up on the Zoom web page. Hope that helps
Ebay Listing |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Oh yeah ... here's some more stuff it has from the listing ...
Acoustic guitar modeling
Feed-back suppresser with manual On/Off
De-Amp effects: Even up any guitar amp character
40 preset effects patches
40 programmable memory patches
7 effect modules with 45 effect types
32-bit processing, 96kHz sampling rate
24-bit A/D, D/A converters
Ultra wide frequency response:20Hz - 40kHz
Built-in drum machine with 40 rhythm patterns
Integrated chromatic tuner
Sturdy metal chassis with rubber side-guard shells
Operates on 4 AA batteries, or AC power adapter (included)
USB Interface
Built In Expression Pedal
Steinberg Cubase LE software included |
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Location: closely held secret | I was going to bid on that, but about 1/3 of the way down the page I forgot what I was looking at... |
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