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Location: TO, Canada | Hi, again. here is another question from a newly ordained Ovation owner.
When I bought my O. in the States (GC in Tonawanda, Northern Buffalo) they could not provide me with the case. The salesman explained that they receive guitars and cases from the company separately. The one they had at the moment was slightly smaller than needed, in his words it was for the mid-bowl while mine was a deep contour.
On my returm to Canada I checked the Ovation website, but to my surpise the whole thing became even more confused. The main page (Ovation USA-LX-Legend-Contour) suggests it should be the 9158-0 (deluxe Molded case). At the same time, the PDF file on the same website give Case # 8158 for this model, as for Mid-and Deep bowl.
You guys surely know the answer for this little enigma and I kindly rely on your help. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | It's my understanding that Ovation will ship nothing without a case. Mine arrived in aguitar box teh case and guitar inside. I realize soem dealers sell them seperately, but they should always offer a price for the guitar with a case.
According to the list i recieved from teh factor the Legend deep contour(2077LX) shows a list price including matching molded case. the case the list shows is 8158.
If you need a case, try to contact Al, He could get you one. or if you have an ovation dealer nearby, tehy could do it as well. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay, I'm a jerk, so I'll say it...
They kept the case and/or sold it separately.
Since yours is a Contour, it probably wouldn't fit in the case GC had, cuz they sold your case to someone. Or they mixed it up with another.
So take your pick... They are either crooked, or not too bright. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Or Perhaps,..Just Maybe...They are BOTH!! :eek:
By teh way, you're not a jerk, Lets' just say you're brutally honest! |
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Location: Omaha, NE | I'd make a fuss with GC over that. Your O came from the factory in a factory HSC. Who knows what the store did with it. I'd demand one at no charge from GC. |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | I would definitely go in and have them get me a case - for no extra money. Even if they have to order it. I have bought 4 of my O's through GC and they all came with cases included in the price. If they try and weasel out of it just ask for the regional office phone number. Usually just asking will get results. If it doesn't then call the RO and calmly explain what's happening. I'll be very surprised if you don't get your case very soon. |
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Location: ranson,wva | all uso's are shipped with a case. G.C slpits the cases up and sells them by them selves. raise holy hell with them and tell them you want the case at a price...jason |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | My only trip to a GC, the had two Celebrities. Both without cases. At Portland Music, they had an Ultra, no case. Most of the online stores, no case included.
They sell 8000 cases for $129, and 9000 for $179, plus s/h.
Am I starting to see a pattern here? |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | On MusiciansFriend (owned by the same company as GC) the Celebrities don't usually have cases included, but the LX's all do and the LX's with the contour bowl have the 9158. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | My understanding is US guitars all include cases from the factory. Off-shore ones don't. If a store sells you a US model without a case, they are taking advantage of both you and somebody else. |
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Location: TO, Canada | The guy in the shop did look a bit crookish but in reality he took out about a hundred bucks from the final price. I have paid only for the guitar. It was my decision, because I had to drive back to Canada the same day. I actually crossed the border just to buy the guitar :-). And I agreed to solve the case issue later.
But I am still not clear which model number is the correct one for the 2077LX. I don't want to order something and then return it, too much of a hassle. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yo, Kass... I totally understand that you made an informed decision. I just like ragging on GC. Or any other corp-rat identity. At least I didn't go so far as to compare them to Walmart! (I just thought of that now!) I actually met some helpful people at the GC here. And I used it like a library, for research.
My Bad... |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Kass,
Based on theRetail price list that Ovation(Kaman) sent me Your model 2077LX is supposed to come with Case 8158.
To be sure that this is the correct number call Ovation Customer service in New Hartford , speak with either John Bundy or Kem keller, and tehy can verify this, well either that or Al can chime in if he sees this in time. Since Al's a dealer he probably knows for sure. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | I don't understand the root cause of this problem. Since all US ovations come with cases, why is there (apparently) this demand for them? Shouldn't everyone already have one? Other than the odd situation here and there where someone has a case get destroyed while simultaneously NOT destroying the guitar, they should already be matched up.
Unless GC is selling US ovation cases to Celibrity buyers. If they are doing that, they are just stupid. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | " My Momma always said stupid is..is stupid does"
uh yeah i'd say that pretty much fits where they are concerned. You know if you look on musicians friend moste of the USA Made Ovations state the price with Case.So, most likely what you have here is a situation where the sales guy just really didn't know much of what he was doing to begin with. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My understanding is that 8158 and 9158 are the same size case. 8158 is a budget version, 9158 is a deluxe version. I could be wrong. I would just look arond buy yourself a 9158 case. I own 2 contour bowl guitars and they both reside in 9158 cases. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I just looked at the '07 price list and it looks like they have downgraded the standard cases. Only ADAMAS and COLLECTOR get the 9158 deluxe case anymore. All others get the lower version 8158, including high end guitars like Custom Elites and Custom Legends. Thats a pity, but it probably makes the company another $15. profit per guitar. The sad thing is that even the "deluxe" 9158 is a pretty shitty case compared to what you get from other companies with end end guitars. Dave |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | In the corp-rat mind, if you put four lug-nuts on a car, instead of five, you can save $3 per car! The same mentality applies. |
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Location: TO, Canada | Interesting turn of the discussion - does it make sense then to think of getting a case from another company? If yes, which? And will it fit as good as the original O.? ...Pandora again
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | I'd just get the 9158 case Which is the Ovation Deluxe case for your model. It's cost youa little more but probably a better case than the 8158.
As far as other cases go, i have no ideea about what would work for your model.
Dave might have an idea...Your turn again Dave. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Tupperware:
The sad thing is that even the "deluxe" 9158 is a pretty shitty case compared to what you get from other companies with [high] end guitars. The injection molded case that came with Adamas was laughable compared to the case that my Taylor came in. The Epiphone case that I bought for my new Lucille is nicer than an Ovation case, and street price on those is only $70. |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | Dave,
I know what you mean. The 9158 is OK, it'll do the job. Compared to the case my Martin CF1 came in, however, it is certainly "down-market". The CF1 is the lightest guitar I own. Put it in its case and it's the heaviest one to carry. It's built like tanks wish they were. |
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Location: TO, Canada | Thanks for info, guys. Will go for the 9158.
As a novice I might not even notice that something is wrong with the thing :-) |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | Oh, there's nothing "wrong" with a 9158, per se. It's just that other companies make better ones for their premium guitars. The 9158 should protect your O from anything you're likely to encounter. It's as good as anybody else's injection molded case and better than a lot of 'em. Just don't expose it to prolonged temperature extremes or direct sunlight and it'll do fine. At least mine have. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | OK my thoughts on the 9158.
I used to use a gig bag or a chip board case to hold my acoustics. In fact, I've used my semi-hard case on flights across asia, and it's even been stored in the cargo hold, without any problems ...
But back to the 9158 ... when I got the 9158 I thought it was a tank. So when you guys say the Martin cases are even heavier, man they must be bricks. You must be able to build a house with 'em.
I think the 9158 I have is made by TKL, and it's a good balance between protection and portability. Anything heavier wouldn't work (for me) and I don't consider it laughable at all. |
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