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Location: Alberta, Canada | I want to remove a shim from my 1112 to improve the action. I've tried to search the topic here but have not been successful. I've looked at the manual on the Ovation site and am concerned about the many pieces involved in this area. What do I need to do and what should I expect to find. Will everything come out as one piece? Are things fitted quite tight; I don't want to break anything. How far out does the wiring allow the parts to be moved?
Sorry. I'm not sure how to word this more clearly. Hopefully it can be decyphered.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | 1. remove strings
2. remove saddle
3. remove shims
It's not that delicate. There is a good couple inches of wire. The saddle may be held in by 2 black pins at the ends.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Dave , thanks. I knew you guys would simplify this for me.
Yes, I see what looks like two black pins. How are they removed?
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Once again... If you want three pages on this topic for a different model, search for: "4861; Adjusting the action".
But, as someone pointed-out earlier, it is much more fun to ask! But there is alot of info there. Everybody gave me alot of encouragement to do the fix there.
And I didn't destroy my guitar, so "It Ain't Rocket Science!"
Edit-- Mine don't have black pins. But it does have little white noogies. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Dave's right, not that big a deal. A couple of months ago I was a little skiddish to try it. I found after removing the strings it was easier to reach in the sound hole a push up on the saddle assembly. I think it was Tony Calman that told me that trick.  |
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Location: Paris/France | Hi,
Two years ago I've made a small tutorial for my friends in France.
I'm sorry because it's in French but I wish that the pics could help you.
I'm not sure that there's shims under your 1112 saddle because it's an accoustic only???
PLEASE LOOK HERE
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Location: NW NJ | Jerome - I always did learn better by seeing what it is I needed to do. Wish I had a look at your pics about 6 years ago when I pulled my first Ovation shim. Wouldn't have had the squirts over what I was going to tear up! :D |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Originally posted by paulmac:
Hi,
Two years ago I've made a small tutorial for my friends in France.
I'm sorry because it's in French but I wish that the pics could help you.
I'm not sure that there's shims under your 1112 saddle because it's an accoustic only???
PLEASE LOOK HERE
J :)
You are right of course, about the 1112 being accoustic only, however, mine was returned to the Mothership in September '06 for top replacement and I had them install the Op-Pro and OPP at that time. They've got the action set too high for me and I want to lower it, but, never having done anything like this before is a bit unnerving. Your pics have cleared out the mystery of the unknown.
How did you take those great pics? That's pretty cool!
Thanks again,
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Location: Paris/France | I'm so glad to be able to help you.
Those pics were made with my poor digital camera and my Adamas I 1687-2.
I wish that you be able to lower the action of your 1112. ;)
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Just looked at the pics again. Failed the first time to register that access on the back. Another mystery solved! :)
New hurdle. I just changed strings a couple of days ago. Do I need to completely remove them or can they be left in the bridge?
I'm afraid of scatching the top by pulling them out.
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Location: Upper Left USA | When I want to remove or add shims and the strings are on I will place a capo at about the 7th fret and as I loosen the strings I pull the string through the capo. This way you have enough slack the pull the bridge but you don't mess with the windings of the strings. Then just tension them back up. |
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Location: Orange County, California | I regularly put on new strings, then decide to remove or change shims. If you have more than just one wrap around the tuning posts, you should be able to loosen the strings enough to get the saddle out. It is a little tricky, but doable. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by MWoody:
When I want to remove or add shims and the strings are on I will place a capo at about the 7th fret and as I loosen the strings I pull the string through the capo. This way you have enough slack the pull the bridge but you don't mess with the windings of the strings. Then just tension them back up. WOW. What a great idea. I never thought of that. Thanks Woody. :cool:
Thats why I like this forum. Just when I think I know everything,(which isn't That often), someone will show me a new trick. :cool: :cool: |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Mike, I would have thought you would know that being the capo king and all. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Same technique works so you can slacken and remove a bridge on a solidbody to pull the PG.
Mike W too |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Originally posted by MWoody:
When I want to remove or add shims and the strings are on I will place a capo at about the 7th fret and as I loosen the strings I pull the string through the capo. This way you have enough slack the pull the bridge but you don't mess with the windings of the strings. Then just tension them back up. Super idea! Wish now I had waited, but I went ahead and pulled the strings off the tuners and dug out the P/U. Found three shims. Took one out and put everything back and the action does seem easier. Will try it for a few days and see. I can't tell any big difference in the sound and that is a good thing!
Guys, I really appreciate the responses. Thank you all for easing the first foray into working on my own guitar. Great feeling, improving things on your own.
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Location: Reno, NV | Originally posted by colt357:
Originally posted by MWoody:
[qb] I can't tell any big difference in the sound and that is a good thing!
Dave Everytime I remove a shim I have to put it back within a few minutes. I don't know why I remove it all the time, I guess I kinda forget what it sounds like without it. I can tell a pretty good differnce in the sound with it out, not so much when picking strings individually, but when strumming, the sound is a bit slimmer. I just go with the slightly higher action and the better tone. I don't get down past 7th very often so any action changes at 12th fret are very marginal near position 1, probably a 128th difference if so. |
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