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Location: closely held secret | I'm with Miles. I'm a consumer, and I could care less if it's a copy. Behringer is great bang for the buck, and if you get a good one it'll likely last forever.
Getting that 'good one' however, may require returning a few first... |
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| The Behringer stuff is designed (copied)in Germany, built in China. They must be pretty close to the critical mass that will let them start bi-amping their PA gear and bringing everything else up to Made In UK/USA/Europe levels. Ignoring them is how UK/USA gear is going to lose out big time. Everybody used to laugh at Jap cars - sometime this year Toyota will overtake GM as the world's biggest carmaker and Toyota are making record profits compared to GM's record losses. The writing is on the wall. |
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Location: NW NJ | Originally posted by cliff:
I'm just trying to comprehend the extent of WHAT's done overseas . . .
Dave, while I understand what you're "saying", my feelings are that the Balladeer is a US-made model, and should remain as such. We already had a Korean Balladeer, didn't we? 6-8 years ago .. 4861 or something like that. Mothership bagged that one - maybe that's why we have the Ultra... |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
I'm with Miles. I'm a consumer, and I could care less if it's a copy. Behringer is great bang for the buck, and if you get a good one it'll likely last forever.
Getting that 'good one' however, may require returning a few first... crap is crap
make no mistake about it |
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Location: closely held secret | Thanks for the insight, Al. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think you can't paint behringer with too broad of a brush. I've got two of their mixers which are pretty darn good (1604A and 2004A). They're a little noisy, but very solid and do a good job for the buck. On the other extreme are some rack units I have (Virtulizer Pro, Modulizer Pro and Autocom Pro). All three suck DDD. Seriously, I use them as wheel chocks when I jack up the car. Absolute complete waste of money. I would neither praise nor bash behringer as a whole. Just research very well before you invest. Dave |
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Location: NJ | when I was a teenager my best friend's father would always give us this advice "once you stick your hands in sh*t you can never get them clean"
we always laughed at it back then but as the years progressed I understood more and more what he meant.
So my advice is don't put your hands in sh*t you won't get them clean. |
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Location: Australia | I hate Behringer.
By blatantly stealing everyone elses ideas and designs and selling this crap ultra cheap, they're screwing up the market.
The product is cheap,unreliable and not roadworthy. Buy quality once and be done with it. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I look forward to buying one of these for $250 on E-baaa.
(I was gonna type that Wednesday, but I decided to let some more informed folks post serious stuff first)
Looks like a nice guitar. But I don't comprehend making the parts in Korea, then sending it here. It is possible that the wood is cheaper over there... Make the top and neck over there, then attach them to the bowl over here. I assume the bowl is still made here. |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
I can't address the new pieces, but I have seen the inside of several of their pieces out of curiosity or to install upgrades, and the "copy" stops at the box. . just the fact that they make a mixer that looks like a mackie or pedals that look like the sans amp mxr eh etc etc etc goes to show you that they are out to decieve and confuse the buying public.
Hmmmmm coca cola is 149 but I can buy the white label Kola for 59 cents. is it the same product? no one is a brand name with years behind the product and another is a product that looks like coke and tastes like crap.
if some one registered Ovation fan Klub and used the same bulletin board and layout would that be OK? of course not.
too many choices out there and if you want good gear although there are some bargains out there generally you have to pay the piper |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Admin cat fight !!! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Can't argue the principles. I can't afford to own the right compressors, gates and such for thousands of dollars each, well I could, but it's not cost effective for me. So I buy the most bang for buck. Could give a rats patoot where it's made, how it's sold etc etc... as long as it works up to the necessary standards.
That's mainly why I like Ovation's in general. There are absolutely better (opinion) guitars out there. But, are they worth owning? The Ultra's that this thread is about is a prime example of a GREAT value. Some will be turned off by where the parts are made.... not me.
And before anyone thinks otherwise, YES I know Al is just pulling my chain. We are two very different people and it's what makes us work well together I think. If we were on Star Trek, Al would be Kirk, and I'd be Spock. I can see Cliff opening Photoshop now. :) |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Admin cat fight !!! hardly.
Miles and I spent many an 8 hour car ride to ohio. the first 4 hours we solved the world problems the second 4 we argue about gear.
Miles is very practical when it comes to gear. I am into vintage and as high end as I can get. Sometimes we clash.
The berhinger thing is a particular sore point. I have a mental block over the knock off products and Miles can't see why I don't see the good in the products that they developed and designed.
I prefer the glow of tubes and an eclectic mix of stuff. My cables are like a rats nest, I have stuff all over the place and keep searching until I can find it.
Miles has stuff in little bins with labels and all the cables are nicely wrapped color coded and tie wrapped together.
two different styles both effective. One main difference is that I have collected a really cool cache of vintage stuff and KEPT some of it. So I really don't see the need to go with newer stuff although there are advantages.
as for the ultra, I got one for my nephew, without the contour bowl. nice guitar not exactly greatest acoustic sound. but it functions real well and that is important.
I am the guy that will take a vintage fender amp to a gig with a neumann mic while I know others that will not take any of their "good" gear on gigs. I feel that if you have a carpenter come to your house you want him to bring a sharp saw, a tape that measures correctly and a nail gun that shoots nails straight. don't bring your crap tools to work on my house and I won't bring my crap gear to play music for you. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Al said: I feel that if you have a carpenter come to your house you want him to bring a sharp saw, a tape that measures correctly and a nail gun that shoots nails straight. Have you found one yet? |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Al said: I feel that if you have a carpenter come to your house you want him to bring a sharp saw, a tape that measures correctly and a nail gun that shoots nails straight. Have you found one yet? |
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Location: NJ | . . . Al's run out of money. |
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Namm Ultra video
