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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Lots of ragging on chiros....
At least they attempt to address the problems.
Most physicians give you drugs to treat the symptoms without any effort to find the root of the problem. No wonder all the drug companies spend so much time and money wining and dining them.
Perfect example, when my wife suffered her head injury and had blood forming on the brain....while in the hospital, the neurosurgeon came by to see her. As soon as he realized he couldn't drill a hole in her head, he wanted nothing to do with her and spent the next 3 days trying to get her discharged from the hospital (even tho she still had signs of blood that was slowing reabsorbing into her system).
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Location: big island | my wife has had two very opposing experiences with chiropractors. the first one did a spinal and cervical manipulation without asking any questions or taking x-rays. he only knew she was suffering from chronic severe headaches ongoing for about seven months (no, she was not married to me at the time so don't go there). she walked out of his office dizzy and nauseated with tingling arms and the same headache. the tingling arm sensation lasted several months and also affected her legs eventually. the headaches continued. she swore to never see another chiro after that.
several years later she was referred to another chiro, a female, who also employed physio therapy, physical therapy and massage. this time a complete medical history and evaluation with x-rays and measurements was performed. after about the third visit, my wife had complete confidence in this woman and allowed manipulation. after the fourth visit my wife began to feel like a new person and has not suffered with the chronic headaches since.
due to her harrington rod she does have a few issues with a misalignment in the lumbar area which causes left hip pain. instead of having my wife continually come in for the manipulation to ease this, the chiro showed me the technique and it works very well as she only needs the treatment every few months. she has given birth twice in the last 2 1/2 years and also dances hula a few times a week, so she is dealing with her situation very well, especially for being 45 years old! |
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I still recommend quality chiropractic, and I couldn't give a flip what FSU or the AMA has to say about it. There's a thousand quack medical doctors out there with 'degrees' who shouldn't be practising medicine, PERIOD. We can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. My chiro's have all been respected medical professionals, have always taken x-rays, have always discussed the risks, etc., and have always helped me. Hmmm, now why is that?...well, being that I was born with a cerebral hemorrrage (but lived..),have had spinal problems all my life and only used phyiscal therapy (never used medical doctors or pharmaceuticals) and I'm still alive and well... no thanks to the AMA or the FDA, or all those pshyco-babblers out there with Ph.D's...so, obviously I agree with Miles and Steph...
Have a nice day... |
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Location: Providence, RI | Howdy Steve,
A couple of points.
First, it is not what FSU thinks, but rather what every single actual University, College, and Medical School in the United States thinks. FSU was simply a case point to exemplify how much the institutes of higher learning are united in their disbelief of chiropractors.
Second, the comment “only used physical therapy” and “no thanks to the AMA” are incompatible. Physical therapists are part of the AMA. As I listed in my opinion above, physical therapists are very well trained and qualified medical professionals.
My own personal suggestion for anyone considering a chiropractor would for him or her to instead visit a physical therapist. However, it is your life, and of course no one is stopping you from visiting a chiropractor.
Whatever you choose I hope your choice makes you happy, and perhaps releases some of the anger you appear to be venting in this post: “I couldn't give a flip”, “a thousand quack medical doctors”, “shouldn't be practicing medicine, PERIOD”, “no thanks to the AMA or the FDA, or all those pshyco-babblers out there with Ph.D's”.
Remember we are all just expressing our opinions and trying to help each other out to the best of our abilities. I apologize in advance if my initial post somehow offended you.
Thanks and good luck,
Methosage
(your friendly Ph.D., who usually refrains from psycho-babbling) |
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| Not angry, not offended. The opinion on Chiro's goes from one extreme to the other, and I learned a long time ago that a medical license doesn't make a physician. The word 'mal-practise' comes to mind... :)
(Keep on pickin'...) |
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Location: Up North | That's why they call it "practicing" medicine.
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No offence to any doctors here, I've just been dying to use that line! |
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Location: Tampa, FL | There are things 'mainstream' physicians do pretty well.
There are things Chiropractors do pretty well.
There arre things Acupuncturists doctors do pretty well.
And many others...
Many tend to oversell their capabilities. But I find that 'mainstream' (allopathic) physicians are more egocentric in this than others. It is an expected result of the protracted campaign by the AMA faternity to boost doctor's prestige. Doctor's are also indoctrinated, by way of medical school, into believing they are the chosen ones. The sole providers of truth. There is the occasional renegade that thinks outside the box, but they are rare. Consider that, until the 20th century, doctors occupied the same social niche as mechanics. In many respects they still should, but we are trained to believe they work miracles. I once took my car to a mechanic that after a single observation told me he couldn't imagine what the problem was but the only thing he could think was that I had a broken exhaust valve spring on cylinder #3. He considered it pretty unlikely but had not other opinion. Turned out he was right. In my opinion, for anything automotive, that guy could work miracles.
I try to keep in mind the there are also things that each discipline is pretty ineffective in treating. The main problem I have seen is that each specialty tends to focus their approach on their personal perspective. A medical form of the observation - 'When your trying to drive a nail, everything looks like a hammer'
Like Miles, I take a lot of personal responsibility for my medical care. I get input from a variety of sources and I pursue the treatment path that makes the most sense to me. Caveat patient. Your best option is to do all you can to stay well and make your best personal choices when you have to.
My personal rule of thumb:
For acute problems, where I think the symptom and the problem are essentially the same, I tend toward allopathic medicine.
For chronic, vague, or mysterious problems, I am much more inclined to consider alternative approaches.
For mechanical problems, I look for mechanical solutions (chiropractic/physical therapy)
That said, I have personal experience with an Acupuncturist that was nothing short of miraculous. Experienced 20 years of increasingly intense ineffective allopathic treatment. When the talk started entering the surgical/excision phase I looked for any alternative. Problem resolved after three visits to a Traditional Chinese practitioner. I cannot and don't try to explain it. I just look at the data and let the empirical results talk to me.
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| Yep, a little more serious than practising guitar...If I had take out 'mal' practise insurance I'd be broke... ;) |
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| I still don't understand acupuncture, but I am assuming it uses the nervous system to manipulate or expedite the bodies capacity for self-healing. Does that sound accurate?... |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Originally posted by ChatMan:
I cannot and don't try to explain it. I just look at the data and let the empirical results talk to me.
ChatMan ibid. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by ChatMan:
ibid. Fine. How much? |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Originally posted by ChatMan:
ibid. Fine. How much? |
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Location: closely held secret | Yes, yes, I get it. Youbidum. Youbimwayup! Again, how much?? :p |
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OT: Chiropractic: Yay or Nay?
