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Schaller Mini Tuning Buttons Suck!
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Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I speak specifically about the black or "Ebony" plastic mini's. No less than three in the last year and a half have split along the post to then peel off. If anyone is suffering from tuning instability on a specific string and you have plastic tuner buttons, this might be a cause. The buttons can begin to split ever so slightly and that little bit will cause issues as the retention screw holding the button on begins to wedge the button apart effecting the button's ability to hold proper tension against the pulling force of the strings. It causes the string to go flat. You may not notice immediately that button is beginning to split but, it still effects tuning. I'm wondering if this chronic issue is caused by medium gauge or larger strings that require just a bit more torque. Anyway, I'm getting bored with replacing them. HEY! Temp... I need ya, man... | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15654 Location: SoCal | Call the factory. They might be able to replace them with genuine ebony buttons. | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Temp's working on a solution as well.... but as I need to replace the high e tuner on the CustomA as well, I just might drop the kids an inquiring email.... | ||
Paul Templeman |
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Joined: February 2002 Posts: 5750 Location: Scotland | Those Schaller mini black plastic fake ebony buttons are crap. Unfortunately they don't do mini's in real wood. Best bet is to replace them with the full size versions which are actual ebony. I've never known those to fail. Jeff, I'm still working on the exotic hardwood buttons project. Should be done soon. | ||
brainslag |
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Joined: April 2006 Posts: 1138 Location: CT | Unless it's a 12 string, then full size buttons won't work. I guess the black ones are suckier than the plastic pealoids? I haven't had problems with those. | ||
Paul Templeman |
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Joined: February 2002 Posts: 5750 Location: Scotland | Yes they will. The full size and mini Schaller buttons are compatible with all Schaller M6 type machines. You can put full size buttons on mini machines and mini buttons on full size machines. I've done this on numerous occasions, on my own guitars, and for guitars owned by my customers. | ||
Beal |
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Joined: January 2002 Posts: 14127 Location: 6 String Ranch | or go for the metal mini buttons | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15654 Location: SoCal | Temp, Kim sent me some mini, real ebony buttons. I've got those on the nylon string and full size real ebony buttons on the FD14. | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | check | ||
schroeder |
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Joined: November 2004 Posts: 4413 | Count me in on the hardwood buttons - anybody know where I can get walnut, applewood or mahogany buttons for my Ute? I can't find anywhere in the Uk. | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Temp's working on a variety of hardwood buttons... | ||
Tupperware |
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Joined: January 2005 Posts: 4903 Location: Phoenix AZ | The U681-12 now comes with mini ebony's. So they do exist. Dave | ||
Paul Templeman |
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Joined: February 2002 Posts: 5750 Location: Scotland | Still not appearing as spares available to the trade as yet, so they must be new. About time, the plastic versions are a joke. Still no lead time on the buttons. When they happen I should have Rosewood, Acacia (Koa) Walnut and grained ivoroid. They'll be in standard and mini sizes with brass inserts for M6 shafts. They won't work on Gotoh, Ping or Grover as far as I'm aware. I'll post something when I get an ETA. | ||
BruDeV |
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Joined: January 2003 Posts: 1498 Location: San Bernardino, California | http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Tuner_parts/Schaller_Replacement... | ||
Tupperware |
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Joined: January 2005 Posts: 4903 Location: Phoenix AZ | I believe those are plastic ones. Ebony is the color, not the material. I could be wrong. Dave | ||
Patch |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4221 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I had the same thing happen to all of mine on my 97 Collectors. Kim sent real ebony replacements gratis. Be sure to take the metal sleave off the post with the plastic buttons. Then the ebonies fit just fine. | ||
Paul Templeman |
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Joined: February 2002 Posts: 5750 Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Tupperware: correct, you could be wrong, but in this case you are right.I believe those are plastic ones. Ebony is the color, not the material. I could be wrong. Dave | ||
Tupperware |
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Joined: January 2005 Posts: 4903 Location: Phoenix AZ | Grasshoppa 'preciate praise from masta | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by BruDeV: Just to be clear... http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Tuner_parts/Schaller_Replacement... These ARE the very same buttons, I'm complaining about. They ARE plastic and NOT real ebony. I have a 12 pack (less than that now) of these very buttons in my kit... | ||
BruDeV |
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Joined: January 2003 Posts: 1498 Location: San Bernardino, California | I guess they must have changed. I was going by some NOS I bought on eBay. | ||
bauerhillboy |
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Joined: February 2004 Posts: 1634 Location: Warren,Pa. | I bought the StewMac buttons for my '97 collectors' last year and they are REAL Ebony. I also bought the StewMac buttons several years ago for my '82 CL 12string...they were also REAL Ebony. My '97 Collectors' came with black metal buttons that the previous owner had used to replace the plastic buttons. He got the metal ones from Schaller 6-in-line minis. They worked but I wanted the real deal. I don't know how you guys are getting the plastic ones from StewMac. The only place I've seen them have been on the '97 Collectors. A very bad ingredient on a guitar that is otherwise loaded with beautiful details. John <>{ | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I have two sets, bought at separate times, still in the StewMac package, purchased over the last year or so... AND THEY ARE PLASTIC. | ||
Tupperware |
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Joined: January 2005 Posts: 4903 Location: Phoenix AZ | Maybe I'm confused. But the price also doesn't seem right, unless I got totally ripped off. I paid $52. for a set of four large ebony buttons for a ukulele. Call me a sucker. Dave | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15654 Location: SoCal | You're a sucker.... | ||
Jeff W. |
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Joined: November 2003 Posts: 11039 Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | and because they are real wood... The ones from StewMac... ARE PLASTIC! | ||
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