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Location: Michigan | When I was a wild young man in my teens a band came out of my home town with a huge hit.
It was the MC5 song KICK OUT THE JAMS.
It was censored soon after its release and you still cant seem to find the original version of it on You Tube.
Alot of people I ask seem to think that since the censors changed those two famous lyrics that it ruined the song.Does it make a differance to you?
Now that we are parents and Grandparents & Great Grandparents would you mind if your youngsters heard the original version of it or would you want them to hear the censored version?
I guess in my days these were only two swear words that were used all of the time and still are today.They seemed to me not to offend but enhance what you were trying to say.
Dont get me wrong but I do not want anyone of my family listening to someone singing about killing cops or raping people but do we really need to censor swear words?
WHAT DO YOU THINK BROTHERS & SISTERS ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7R5OkWVNfMSTERS??? GWB |
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Location: Michigan | Sorry try this one GWB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7R5OkWVNfM |
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Location: south east Michigan | do we really need to censor swear words?
I'm gonna come down on the yes side. Yep.. Even tho I am a big fan of "You're Breaking my heart, you're tearing it apart, so F*&k you". Even tho I'll curse at times (but I'm not really good at it). Even tho I know my kids curse.
I never expected my kids not to swear. The trick was to make them aware of when they are doing it. Although it may sound hipocritical, there is a time and place for it. I wanted thiem to learn to engage their brain before opening their mouth.
So... in concidering the bigger picture, I'll say yes. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I'm still waiting for someone to slip the uncensored part of "who are you" into the CSI Miami theme.
I find the censoring of swear words just annoying. In most cases I wouldn't even know there was a swear except for the beep, or the song cutting out on the word. And from a communication point, just because it can't be heard, doesn't mean that everyone that listens to it doesn't know exactly what's being said, so I really do not get the purpose.
On the other side, I really like those like Eminem who actually wrote his own sound effects and such into the mix to censor it. It gets the point across but yet it's part of the tune. Clever |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Music is like movies some is appropriate for all people and some is more for adults.
Zappa's music just wouldn't be the same without all the swearing, but I still wouldn't listen to some of it with my kids - even though they are older and would probably think it's funny.
I like to listen to Tool, sometimes the swearing in the music fits, but sometimes I feel like they're just saying f#ck because they think it's cool to say f#ck. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Censorship...a hard nut to crack..there are so many pro`s & cons..basically I`m against censoring anything,but there are cases where maybe a little "editing" might prove positive,I`m beginning to wonder if we,us Europeans have been getting the uncensored version of "deadwood"..that tv-serie is nothing but swearing, :) btw,is satisfaction still censored in the USA ?
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Location: south east Michigan | the uncensored part of "who are you" I hear that certain f-bomb all the time on the local classic rock station. I don't see how someone is missing it.
As far as TV... geez.. it's a whole new world. Anyone ever catch a episode of "Rescue Me" on the cable FX channel?? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I took my oldest daughter to a Green Day concert when she was about 12. They must have used the f word about 100 times, probably more than any other word they used. I just decided that they just use obscenities to piss off the parents and sell albums to kids who think it's cool to piss off the parents. I don't think there's much good music out there with obscenities, so it's not relevant to me. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Obscenity is the sign of a weak mind trying in desperation to express itself. But what the fuck do I know. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | "Don't give me any of that do goody-good bull-bleep"
Two days in a row, on KGON, they have played that song,
"Now yer messing with a Son of a Beee-itch..." [yee-haw]
Which, I think, is only a bunch of people intentionally flaunting censorship laws. [not impressed]
Y'know... After about the forty-seventh or eighth time they say that... I just gets old!
Also, who remembers "The Pusher" by Steppenwolf? |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | It is the right of every concerned parent to be as hypocritical as they feel suits the situation....
"NO, I never did anything like that and I'd like to think you wouldn't either!"
"I don't think he needs to swear that much to get his message across."
A the same time, I don't think the government should be the one to set those kinds of standards.
“That government is best which governs least.”Thomas Paine.
Right now, our good cousins to the south live in the great possibility of living under the thumb of
"The American Taliban"
It's no better and no worse than the opposite number with which it is at war.
Censorship should be a button on your tv/radio/computer, not a government agency. |
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Location: Tennessee | It is the community which sets the standards ... the government simply enforces the laws where applicable to them. "Censorship" is a powerful word. The only censorship I know that is being done by a government agency is when a spy tries to sell a tell-all story before the FOIA kicks in.
The government does enforce certain standards for public airwaves, as set forth by a citizen committee, but the US government does not in itself censor anything. Books, albums, art are not censored, nor are TV or radio shows that air over private airwaves (e.g. Howard Stern/Sirius). There are standards of common decency which the vast majority of the populace agree with which are therefore enforced on the public airways ... in the same way the NYPD would be all over someone who takes a big steamy crap on the sidewalk in front of the Waldorf Astoria or Mo's Deli. Freedom of expression? Perhaps, but outside the bounds of what the majority feel is common decency.
If there is censorship going on, it is the artists themselves (or those they work for) who are doing it in order to get airplay on public airwaves. That's their choice, but there are no government censors through whom everything that is put on the air goes through. The government can levy fines for failing to comply with the standards, and probably even pursue other avenues of remedy for repeated, flagrant abuse. But censor? It doesn't happen.
In 1974, three of my favorite songs were Star, Star by the Stones, You're Breakin' My Heart by Nilsson, and Working Class Hero by Lennon. All three of them dropped the F-bomb in the song, and none of them were played on the radio. But I had the albums and I could listen to them if I chose to ... no censorship there. By anyone. The artists chose their art over money. Simple as that.
And I am a huge believer in less government. I want the government to stay out of my life, my bedroom, my cabinets, and my wallet. But I also want my government to protect the way of life the vast majority of Americans want to live, while also protecting the rights of the individual. As far as the whole swearing thing goes, I think it's working pretty well. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Very True! You cannot legislate Morality.
The immoral woman says, "Stolen fruit is Sweetest" -Proverbs-
I'm not sure that I would have wanted to try drugs, if I wasn't told not to do it!?!
I drank beer in Germany at six! (Lowenbrau Munich, nothing like Budweiser.)
Since it wasn't denied me, I wasn't impressed.
[Tasted nasty to my young palate.] |
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Location: NJ | back in the day a friend's mom took a hot butter knife to the fish cheer on the woodstock LP so he could not play it.
I think the context is the key.
when words are used for shock value it looses it for me.
for example. when I first watched the sopranos I did not like it thought it was just too over the top, the same with deadwood WAY over the top but I got used to it. I think I the fact that I got used to it is the bad thing |
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Location: Melbourne Fl. | I've got to agree with Al,"context is the key".MC5 tried to raise people's awareness to the state of affairs in the nation and the world(we were gonna change it,remember?)In that light the language was used to get our attention.Commentary as opposed to command.Today I hear the F bomb in almost every conversation.Funny thing is....it's usually the women using it and then I'm appalled.BTW,I still have my un-edited copy with the original liner notes.If memory serves me,it was pulled once for the lyrics and again because the censors,in a rush....missed the liner notes. Al aka slydog |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I like listening to nothing but censored lyrics because it keeps my mind pure. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | If the offending word is just bleeped or muted out, I can deal with it. When they change the word it drives me nuts. For example - from Jet Airliner by Steve Miller:
"...funky shit going down in the city..."
gets changed to
"...funky kicks going down in the city...".
That's just wrong. Same goes for movies. Last night Eddie Murphy's Raw was on Bravo. I wasn't watching it, but I was listening to it from the other room - I would say at least half was bleeped out. It was still funny. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think the solution is to have two versions, one original and one altered. Let the listener choose which one he wants to listen to. I have no problem cussing like a sailor, but there are also situations where I think it is totally inappropriate.
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Location: Hannover | this kind of *beep*-censoring seems to be fashionable in the land of the free more than in Europe. The only place where I like it is South Park ;) all the rest is the best way making it interesting for kids on one hand (all this censoring persons seem to believe, they can change the sun giving sun glasses to everyone), and treating people as in middle ages on the other hand. (vatican was quite busy changing pieces of art with leaves when they started believing it could harm common people, any doubt it didn't ?? ;) )
no, my kids don't need censoring, neither do I.
That doesn't mean they don't need control, but not by the goverment. That's definately MY job.
if my kids contact with subculture they have to know what they are dealing with, and so have I when they do. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | As I stated before,I basically am against censoring anything,...However..TV & Radio,Media as such, are supposed to give the Good Example,..I wish those in charge would realise that,frankly,I`m getting a little tired of foul language,it`s gotten tedious.. :rolleyes:
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Phone 'em up and complain!
It works better than protesting, and it's easier to organize. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | U may have a Point there Phil,but are U not getting wary about all that...!"#¤%#¤%...U know..it`s getting a little too..
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | One's attitude toward censorship is likely to be closely correlated to one's attitude about nazis or [insert favorite offensive group here] being permitted to demonstrate in one's hometown public park. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Personally I do not object to those who run naked over a footballfield..after my favorite team has won .. :)
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Location: Hannover | yes, Jeff W., it most probably is.
You are touching a basic philosophical problem, quite related to a paradox:
is it ok to forbid free speech for those who intend to abolish free speech.
The ideal answer would be NO.
The pragmatical answer migth be more complicated ... |
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Does censoring a song change it for you ?
