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Joined: October 2016 Posts: 14 | Hi all, https://imgur.com/a/ovation-1768-bent-top-2Jszd I tried steaming the top and putting weights on it, which undid the warp just a little bit. But the braces themselves are definitely bent. I put the guitar back together and it surprisingly plays okay with a correct neck angle, but it still looks terrible and doesn't sound very good. I couldn't glue the fretboard extension down since the top is so warped underneath, so the high notes don't ring out at all. The birch ply behind the soundholes is delaminated a bit. I think the top has continued to shrink, too, as the binding is pulling away on the treble side of the lower bout. The fretboard wood is really rough textured too, which I don't like. I wanted to ask the group about the feasibility of a retopping project and see if there's anything I'm overlooking... Here's what I'm envisioning for the project:
I don't have a go-bar deck. Can I use deep-throated clamps to glue on the braces one by one? The fretboard extension has a tiny bit of back bow (visible in one of the photos) but I think this will be fine when it's glued to the top. Do you agree? How do you guys set up clamps to glue on the freboard extension and bridge without a conventional soundhole? I'm thinking maybe use rare earth magnets? How do you recommend removing the top? Heat gun and putty knife, to take the binding off first and then the top? I assume the kerfing (or whatever is in there?) stays attached to the bowl and is reused?
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2331 Location: Pueblo West, CO | davegardner0 - 2025-07-05 10:06 AM 6. Fabricate and glue on some thin laminate around the soundhole areas on the back When I did my 1778T, I made the cross-grain reinforcement go all the way across the top a la the 1537. This required that I 'notch' the underside of the braces. That was unnecessary. The main purpose of the reinforcement is to ensure the top doesn't split between the sound holes. As such, you only need reinforcement over the sound holes in the same way later Elites are done. The image below is from a 2078 TX. 11. (Do I need to do something here with the bowl to make sure the neck is at the correct angle?) I have a jig I made that simulates a tool used by the factory. I use this to set the neck angle when the top is being glued.
At one time I tried a bowl-bend using heat, but I found when doing Jen Chapin's 1613 that the neck angle can be reset when the top is glued. Once glued, the neck angle will remain the same. 15. Glue on the bridge (or maybe after finishing?) You'll definitely want to glue the bridge on after finishing. To ensure a good glue joint, mask the area of the bridge before applying the finish, then once the finish is done and you've cut and polished the top, remove the masking tape and use naphtha to clean any glue residue. Do Ovations use a radius on the top? I don't have a radiused sanding dish, but could buy one. It would be great if I could use one in a "standard" radius for building more conventional acoustic guitars, which is something I'd like to do in the future. Generally speaking, Ovations are one of the few guitars with no radius to the top. I don't have a go-bar deck. Can I use deep-throated clamps to glue on the braces one by one? I suppose you could use clamps for the braces, but if you're planning to build/re-top guitars in the future you'd probably be better off just spending the money to buy a go-bar deck. I bought mine from Blues Creek Guitars. They sell for $110. (See: Gobar Deck) As it sits now, the guitar has a full-width laminate across the top in the soundhole area. I see in the thread I linked above that Dan suggested in future builds only adding the laminate laminate behind the soundholes, which I'd also like to do. Any pitfalls I should be aware of? If you're going to use torrefied wood for the top and braces, I would also make the doubler from torrefied wood. I have on hand here a StewMac torrefied sitka top and a set of torrefied bracing stock, would those be acceptable to use? What top thickness do you guys recommend? I usually string my acoustics with 12's, by the way, and definitely like a responsive-feeling guitar. I'm not a heavy-handed player. Stewmac torrefied Sitka is fine. Ovation guitars are one of the few to feature tapered tops. IOW, the wood is thicker near the neck and thinner near the bottom. I made myself a custom tool to do this. The top is place in the tool, then it gets tapered when it goes through the belt sander. I usually go for ~.110" at the top and ~.094" at the bottom. I'm sure you would get good results with a top that isn't tapered. Just make the whole top ~.110". The torrefied wood will be much more responsive than a normal top. Keep in mind that torrefied wood has less shear and peel strength and normal wood. Because of this I usually recommend and use Extra Light strings so It doesn't pop the bridge off the top. I've read in some of the retopping threads about heating the bowl to change the neck angle. Is that something I need to do? Is there a way to "measure" the alignment of the neck heel and bowl before I put everything together. Either way, I'm thinking of installing the frets after gluing on the neck, so that I get a chance to sand the fretboard with everything assembled. This is how I've refretted acoustics in the past. Is there any issue with doing things in this order? Only thing I can think of is maybe it'll be really hard to trim the fret ends where the fretboard tapers at the end. If you go to my Harry Chaping 1613 thread, page 3, I explain how I did the neck reset while gluing the top to the bowl. It worked so well, this is my go-to method to reset the neck. I tried a bowl-bend once, but the bowl eventually reverted back to it's previous condition. In the photo below, the top is being glued at the same time the neck is being reset. If you adjust the TR so the neck is flat, you can lay a straight edge along the middle so the end of it is near the bridge. On a properly adjusted neck, the straight edge should be just above the top of the bridge, like this: How do you guys set up clamps to glue on the freboard extension and bridge without a conventional soundhole? I'm thinking maybe use rare earth magnets? On my 1778T, I used Stewmac deep throat clamps for the bridge. You'll have to remove the bottom adjuster to get it through the sound hole, then reinstall it once it's inside the guitar. How do you recommend removing the top? Heat gun and putty knife, to take the binding off first and then the top? I assume the kerfing (or whatever is in there?) stays attached to the bowl and is reused? The binding and purfling can just be peeled off without heat. I use an Xacto chisel to remove the top. It gets slid between the lining and the wood of the top. Since you're replacing the top it won't matter if the wood gets a little chewed up. In the photo below you can just see the tip of the chisel. | ||
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