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Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number

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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-11 9:18 AM (#557367)
Subject: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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My wife has a Glen Campbell that she used in the 1980's. The guitar was damaged at some point and we are trying to decide if it is worth repairing. The model is 1127-4 and S/N is M 294. A photo of the model and S/N label is attached and we are trying to determine the age and if the GC signature on the label is valid. The case appears to be a model K-9102-1 (from the 1971 catalogue). From photos from other Ovation web sites it appears to be a GC Artist given the back and truss cover size. Any feedback would be helpful.
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-11 9:33 AM (#557368 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: RE: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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trying to upload photo of label
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-11 9:34 AM (#557369 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: RE: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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... without success
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2022-06-11 7:00 PM (#557370 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number



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I am guessing that it would be around 1970.
I hope that helps.
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-11 8:31 PM (#557371 - in reply to #557370)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Dear OMA,

Thx for the feedback. This does help. Several further comments/questions. The guitar goes to the shop for an estimate tomorrow (fingers crossed). Can you point me to the instructions on uploading photos? Finally, when do I get to the broader forums? Thx in advance.
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-11 8:36 PM (#557372 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Oh yes, the model-S/N label has a Glen Campbell signature across it in red ink. Have you heard of him signing other labels in other guitars? Thx again
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2022-06-12 9:42 AM (#557373 - in reply to #557367)
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2022-06-12 11:53 AM (#557374 - in reply to #557367)
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-12 12:32 PM (#557375 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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THx for the move!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2022-06-12 9:25 PM (#557378 - in reply to #557367)
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Look thru the catalogs here http://ovationtribute.com/Catalogs%20&%20Brochures.html and you can get a pretty good idea of when your guitar was built. Hint, look at the bridge to see what catalog it's in.....
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Love O Fair
Posted 2022-06-13 11:30 AM (#557379 - in reply to #557367)
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Dusty.. it would be great to see photos.. so assuming you are still viewing the standard page layout, if instead of typing your post into the text input area below, first click on the "Advanced Reply" button just below that area, then you can type your post in the new text area that pops up, then also check the box for "Attach a photo or file after posting" and simply follow the prompts. I hope this makes sense and helps you be able to post a photo.



Edited by Love O Fair 2022-06-13 11:40 AM
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-15 4:36 PM (#557385 - in reply to #557379)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Thx for the directions. I will try shortly.



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-a.jpg)



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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-15 4:43 PM (#557386 - in reply to #557378)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Thx for the link. The guitar looks to be a 1970 or 1971. The case is the old style from the 1970 catalog. It has gone to the luither for repairs so I'll up load photos when it returns next month.
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dba
Posted 2022-06-15 8:16 PM (#557387 - in reply to #557386)
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That is very cool!
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Love O Fair
Posted 2022-06-15 9:10 PM (#557388 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number



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This is one of the best parts of this club.. seeing photos like that. And that is assuming the label isn't anything that was ever exactly common at that time. At least I am not familiar with ever seeing one like it, which again further brings assumption that it is an actual signature and not just printed on there. I could be totally wrong on that, though, since I do have my blockhead moments (many). Still curious about the "M" number, too.



Edited by Love O Fair 2022-06-15 9:12 PM
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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-16 6:25 AM (#557389 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: RE: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Of course, its great to hear feedback like this. Unfortunately, the guitar was damaged before my wife got it (cracked between neck and head stack in outer portions of the laminated neck, chip off the top of the head stock, several cracks in the finish in several places). Fortunately if has been stored in humid environments several decades so there don't appear to be any cracks in the top (photos attached to this or following posts). As I mentioned is it in the hands of a top Luthier in the DC area (Todd Stock) for repairs so I'll post the "after" photos when it is complete late next month. One question is how to validate the signature. Another is what's up with the "M" serial numbers on a 1970 or 1971 instrument and I'd be thrilled to hear any info on either of these points. Thx for all comments, BTW!



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-b.jpg)



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-c.jpg)



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-d.jpg)



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-e.jpg)



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-f.jpg)



(Ovation GC 1127-4 M 294-g.jpg)



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MWoody
Posted 2022-06-16 1:23 PM (#557390 - in reply to #557367)
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Those look like finish cracks and not wood damage. There's hope make those disappear.
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seesquare
Posted 2022-06-16 6:11 PM (#557391 - in reply to #557390)
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Not sure about the back-of-the-neck cracks, though. They look more suspicious. Might want to stick with light-gauge strings. Rest of 'em, no worries, really.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2022-06-16 6:27 PM (#557392 - in reply to #557367)
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The back of the neck looks like break damage that's been repaired. I don't think I'd worry about it too much. I saw pictures a while back of Glen Campbell's #2 Deluxe Balladeer. It had had the headstock broken and when the factory finished with it, it looked just like your picture. If it feels solid, it probably is. Broken headstocks can be repaired......
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2022-06-16 6:30 PM (#557393 - in reply to #557367)
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The repaired guitar....


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(GC GTR Headstock back.jpg)



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moody, p.i.
Posted 2022-06-16 6:32 PM (#557394 - in reply to #557367)
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And the before....



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Dr Dusty
Posted 2022-06-17 6:10 AM (#557395 - in reply to #557367)
Subject: Re: Date of maufacture of a Glen Campbel with "M" Serial Number


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Yikes! That's quite a break! The crack on our guitar was less of a complete break so I am hopeful for successful repair. There were concerns about a previous repair but on closer examination what looked like glue residue was actually damaged finish which is a good sign. Replying to other comments, apparently some of what appears to be cracks in the wood (center pieces of the laminated neck) may be only finish cracks but the crack in the outer portions of the neck extend into the wood and through to the front of the headstock. Regarding string gauge I suspect is will be light-gauge string for this guitar forever! Before it went to the repair shop I was able to tune the guitar (very slowly!) to full pitch but the cracks on the outer portion of the neck became more visible.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2022-06-21 7:41 AM (#557409 - in reply to #557367)
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After viewing the close-up of the label I go to my 70's & 80's days of four color printing on various presses of both multi and single unit heads. I am going with it being an actual signature. First, since where the red crosses over the black lines on the label (which are offset ink) it is translucent like a felt tip ink, which would be difficult to reproduce in the same linear consistency with traditional offset ink of the era, at least in any sense of 'production' printing. The only ink I would consider as an otherwise contrary possibility would be stamp pad in pink.. though very quite doubtful on that. Also the concentration of ink at the beginning and end tips of the signature. Both are actually stopping points since the "G" is its owl, stand-alone letter, and that concentration is common to the stopping of a felt-tip pen, though not exactly easy to reproduce in single-color offset without having all of the red appear the same or similar density. The single dot just below the bottom of the "G" is also suspect to it being an actual signature as most any negative, plate or stamp stripper I know (including myself) would have eliminated that. Meaning the pen touched the surface before beginning with the second segment of the first name where the "L" begins after lifting from the "G". As well, the double-back concentration at the bottom of the "P" looks a lot closer to coming from hand pressure and directional change than from reproduction. This is only my own hypothesis from long ago experience, but if I were standing at a sports book counter making a bet on it, I would put money on actual signature. Betting on something like, "Glen, I'm going to send you a few of those labels we talked about with the typed stuff off to the side.. so if you could sign the centers diagonal and send them back it would be great."
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FlySig
Posted 2022-06-21 9:14 AM (#557411 - in reply to #557367)
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Wow, LOF, amazing evaluation! Your perspective as a printer is unique.

Ovation did send out labels for autographs to other signature artists. Melissa Etheridge, & Kaki King. So it is entirely plausible Glen signed labels.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2022-06-21 12:13 PM (#557413 - in reply to #557367)
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Thanks, FlySig. I only wish that label was inside my own 1127!
And speaking of signed labels, to the contrary is some dope named William Sanders, who I assume was a prior owner of my '68 Deluxe Balladeer shiny, and who was so thoughtfully keen to smear his [very ugly] signature right across the label, most likely to show ownership ID. Just lovely... not.



Edited by Love O Fair 2022-06-21 12:33 PM
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