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"No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer

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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-06 6:42 AM (#555841)
Subject: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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With great appreciation of Standingovation's generosity, I have embarked on the resurrection of a 1974 instrument. It appears to have been treated relatively well in its life, and needed repair of a lower bout fissure, and decided to strip off the black paint from the skunk-stripe neck.
Herewith are some images from the process:

 


If anyone has suggestions as to repainting the top, with accurate color matching, optimal paint type (lacquer, enamel, acrylic, etc.), please add any "conjectural analysis" you desire!

Edited by seesquare 2021-07-06 6:59 AM




(peghead 2.jpg)



(070521 neck sanded 2.jpg)



(070221 sanded top- smaller image.jpg)



(070221 sanded bridge.jpg)



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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-06 7:03 AM (#555842 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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And, the rosette. Any chance The Mothership has any replacements left? I may construct my own mosaic ring, but it is really tedious, & a lotta work.
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-06 1:53 PM (#555846 - in reply to #555842)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Just sent a "kite" to the Custom Shop. Hope somebody is home!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2021-07-06 8:00 PM (#555847 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Take a look here...
https://www.mydustyguitar.com/rosettes

Edited by moody, p.i. 2021-07-06 8:01 PM
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-07 8:57 AM (#555848 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Thanks Paul! Nice stuff, albeit a bit spendy. Remember, this is the BFLG. Dan has raised the bar enormously, & his contributions are a hard act to follow, to-be-sure!
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-08 8:20 AM (#555850 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: RE: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Latest update. Making progress, anyway.



(070821 rear view- smaller image.jpg)



(070821 peghead & nut- smaller image.jpg)



(070821 rear view- smaller image.jpg)



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moody, p.i.
Posted 2021-07-08 3:41 PM (#555853 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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A papermache back, instead of fiberglass! How cool is that......
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-09 5:05 AM (#555855 - in reply to #555853)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Now, there is an idea! Decoupage the "Sunday funnies", perhaps a collection of Far Side panels to the bowl, and shoot a few coats of clear finish (testing it doesn't make the ink run, first!)
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-09 8:58 AM (#555856 - in reply to #555855)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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FYI- Got a response from info@ovationguitars.com:
"thank you for writing to us.
We have some bad information for you: The use of these rosettes has been stopped decades ago.
We also have not one of these old rosettes remaining. We are sorry that we cannot help you.
You either need to repair the rosette (if this is possible) or buy another used Ovation guitar where you disassemble the rosette.
We are very sorry."
So, need to proceed with "Plan B", whatever that may be.
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BCam
Posted 2021-07-09 10:24 AM (#555858 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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This is pretty expensive, and I'm not sure it fits but here's one on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373452956752?hash=item56f387e450:g:4I4AAOSw...

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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-10 7:09 AM (#555862 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Yeah, "hens' teeth" are pretty expensive these days. I am intending to design my own. Shot the 1st coat of paint on the top yesterday. The color is pretty close to the original, but a tad brighter. I will post, pretty soon.
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BCam
Posted 2021-07-11 3:02 PM (#555867 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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You can follow in Dan Savage's footsteps:

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=47...
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-11 8:23 PM (#555869 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: RE: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Thanks Bob, but Dan Savage is way-beyond my paygrade & talent.......and patience. The stuff he does just blows me away, & it is always comprehensive & entertaining.
As promised, the new facepaint:



(071121 painted top 2- smaller.jpg)



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Love O Fair
Posted 2021-07-11 8:48 PM (#555870 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer



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That color will blend an interesting contrast once the wood of the fretboard and bridge are exposed.. as well as your custom rosette. Are you going to buff it to a smooth gloss before applying a clear top coat?





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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-12 7:12 AM (#555871 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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I have a "date' with a piece of 1200-grit wet-or-dry, in about a week. Then, probably some coats of gloss. The rosette is under construction. Arranging those little abalone sticks was pretty tedious, to-be-sure.
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-12 8:20 AM (#555873 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: RE: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Okay, here is the rosette. Sanded, and generally circular.


I have been told, perfection is an aspiration. Well, my fingers are tired, for sure!

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(071221 rosette sanded top- smaller.jpg)



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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2021-07-12 3:45 PM (#555874 - in reply to #555873)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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moody, p.i.
Posted 2021-07-12 4:40 PM (#555875 - in reply to #555841)
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"Perfection is the enemy of good".
F. X. Reagan

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DanSavage
Posted 2021-07-12 5:03 PM (#555876 - in reply to #555875)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer



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Nice job on the rosette.

FWIW, while I too, aim for perfection, my ultimate goal is finding enjoyment in the process and the results.

Or, as King Solomon famously wrote, "All is vanity and vexation of spirit."

I'm sure he was talking about luthiery.

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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-12 10:24 PM (#555877 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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Thanks Dan! High praise, indeed. I, too, aim for enjoyment. As Rick Nelson opined, "You can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." It's my garden, and my party. However, you're all welcome, anytime!
Now, I just sit here, watching paint dry.
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2021-07-20 3:48 AM (#555888 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: Re: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer



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The rosette looks great.
The colour of the top would be a nice background for a sunburst...
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-20 7:35 AM (#555889 - in reply to #555841)
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"The colour of the top would be a nice background for a sunburst..."
Thanks for the support & suggestion. You are probably right on the additional paint scheme. I am leaving it as-is, for now. I may do more adornment, later.
I have 4 coats of clear coat on the top, so far. And, it's 2000-grit wet-sanding, between coats. I am beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel.....
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MWoody
Posted 2021-07-20 10:51 AM (#555890 - in reply to #555841)
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"Never give up, never surrender"
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seesquare
Posted 2021-07-22 8:44 AM (#555897 - in reply to #555841)
Subject: RE: "No good deed goes unpunished"- Refurbishment of 1111-6 Balladeer


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And, "things could get messy"



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Love O Fair
Posted 2021-07-22 10:47 AM (#555898 - in reply to #555841)
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@seesquare - >>>And, "things could get messy"<<<

Ah.. stop! Shoot the final clear on it just like that!




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