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Love O Fair
Posted 2020-10-16 10:49 AM (#554045)
Subject: 2078-AV50 Inside Label...



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I am currently in discussion off site with someone about the 2078-AV50 being a 40th Anniversary Adamas, with a certificate of authenticity also declaring it as a 40th anniversary Adamas, yet still having an "Ovation" headstock and "50th Anniversary" truss rod cover. So four questions--
1. Can someone tell me what the inside bowl label says for the 2078-AV50. Is it Adamas, or Ovation?
2. Since the certificates say Adamas, why, oh why, didn't the headstock and TRC also have Adamas and 40th?
3. Had DW already taken ownership of the company when these were produced?
4. Just curious.. is there actually a truss rod adjustment under the TRC on that model, or did those have a in-the-bowl rod adjustment with the TRC just being added for aesthetic?
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FlySig
Posted 2020-10-16 12:08 PM (#554046 - in reply to #554045)
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The 2078-av50 is an Ovation, not Adamas. It is, correctly, a 50th anniversary model. The general structure is a 2078 with wood top, obviously with lots of upgrades and attention to detail beyond a regular 2078.

I'm pretty sure DW owned the company by then.
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d'ovation
Posted 2020-10-16 12:56 PM (#554047 - in reply to #554045)
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I would expect it to have a LX neck design so the TRC is functional and not decorative. I think the last NH Ovations with K-bar were built more than 10 years ago.
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DanSavage
Posted 2020-10-16 4:00 PM (#554048 - in reply to #554045)
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Inside label says Ovation, not Adamas.

The model number for these is actually, 2077AV50-4, not 2078-AV50.

Yes, Ovation was owned by DW when these were made. Bill Xavier, DW's product manager, attended the 50th launch party at the Hartford factory.

The 207AV50-4 also has a mid-depth Contour bowl whereas the standard 2078 has a deep Contour bowl, hence the different bowl-type number.

Neck is a standard TR neck, not LX nor K-bar. It is unusual for Ovations in that it's a bolt-on neck.

First Gen Ovation necks were standard TR, but were glued into place.

Notice in the photo below that there is no LX fretboard extension block that bolts the extension to the top.





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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-10-16 5:12 PM (#554049 - in reply to #554045)
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Love O Fair There is both a 2077AV50 that dan has and a 2078AV50
The 2078AV50 is an Elite style 50th anniversary Ovation not sure why the certificate of authenticity says Adamas I'd like to a picture of that.
DW owned Ovation at the time and there first release of a new US guitar was the 2077AV50 Legend style presented at the reopening of the shop in new hartford to Kevin Cronin of REO Speedwagon who played that day.
There were 2 40th anniversary Adamas models 2 Elite 50th and 2 center soundhole(legend and folklore style)50th
Here is a 2078AV50 on Reverb
https://reverb.com/item/27853650-ovation-2078-av50-5-50th-anniversar...

Need any more help ask away 2WD(Kevin)



Edited by 2wheeldrummer 2020-10-16 5:16 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2020-10-16 5:41 PM (#554050 - in reply to #554049)
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2wheeldrummer - 2020-10-16 3:12 PM

Love O Fair There is both a 2077AV50 that dan has and a 2078AV50

The 2078AV50 is an Elite style 50th anniversary Ovation not sure why the certificate of authenticity says Adamas I'd like to a picture of that.
DW owned Ovation at the time and there first release of a new US guitar was the 2077AV50 Legend style presented at the reopening of the shop in new hartford to Kevin Cronin of REO Speedwagon who played that day.

There were 2 40th anniversary Adamas models 2 Elite 50th and 2 center soundhole(legend and folklore style)50th

Here is a 2078AV50 on Reverb
https://reverb.com/item/27853650-ovation-2078-av50-5-50th-anniversar...

Need any more help ask away 2WD(Kevin)



Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the correction. I forgot about the Elite. In many ways, I'm sorry I bought the legend instead of the elite.

If anyone wants to trade a 2078-AV50 for a 2077-AV50 I'm open to it. :D
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-10-16 6:49 PM (#554051 - in reply to #554050)
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Dan no problem I'd like to play one of the Elite 1678 AV50's
https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--iraiFbwG--/f_auto,t_supers...

Looks like a 12 fret slothead beauty to me

So now name all the anniversary model numbers
2098 and 1198 adamas
2078 and 1678 elite
2077 legend and FD14 AV50 folklore right


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Love O Fair
Posted 2020-10-16 7:45 PM (#554052 - in reply to #554045)
Subject: Re: 2078-AV50 Inside Label...



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@2WD - >>>not sure why the certificate of authenticity says Adamas I'd like to a picture of that.<<<

The discussion I mentioned in my post actually just happens to be about the very same guitar you linked to on Reverb near me. Check the photos in the ad and there is a picture of its certificate saying Adamas, and 40th Anniversary. Also seen in the photos is the Ovation logo headstock and 50th anni TRC. It just seems like a conflict to me.. that the company would produce a hybrid nomenclature presentation like that. But I have yet to see a photo or confirmation of the inner label, so that's why I was curious about what that label says.

Thanks for the answers everyone!
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-10-16 9:40 PM (#554053 - in reply to #554045)
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LOF:Read the COA very carefully and you'll see it says the guitar was made to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Adamas line not that it is an Adamas model...I'm splitting hairs...I agree its pretty screwy that for the 50th anniversary of Ovation they put it on the truss rod cover but not the COA.
The guitar your looking at is a Ovation 50th anniversary Custom Elite 2078 AV50...are you thinking of buying it ..did you win the lottery LOL
Here is a link to some 50th info http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=46...


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Love O Fair
Posted 2020-10-16 11:14 PM (#554057 - in reply to #554045)
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@2WD - >>>I agree its pretty screwy that for the 50th anniversary of Ovation they put it on the truss rod cover but not the COA.<<<

Thank you for pointing that out. I didn't read it that way at first. I agree with your agree, and I don't think the COA should have even mentioned the name Adamas at all. Kind of like buying a very nicely appointed Camaro, and having the DMV title say something abstract on it about a Corvette. Anyway, thanks again. Case solved.

And PS: No lottery. Just a local Craigslist ad that caught my eye and confused my brain (what's left of it).

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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-10-17 9:47 AM (#554062 - in reply to #554057)
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Love O Fair - 2020-10-16 11:14 PM


And PS: No lottery. Just a local Craigslist ad that caught my eye and confused my brain (what's left of it).


You want to really confuse your final 2 brain cells the back of the headstock says 24 of 50 but it ended up being 50 each for the US Europe and Asia from my understanding so there were actually 150 of each guitar made.One of the things DW did to shoot themselves in the foot if you ask me.

PS at least its not a Camaro body with a Yugo motor under the hood






Edited by 2wheeldrummer 2020-10-17 9:55 AM
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bburg
Posted 2020-10-17 11:17 AM (#554063 - in reply to #554045)
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Just to confirm, I have a 1678AV-50E... (12 of 50) for the Europian market.
Here pics of the COA, the Label and TRC.
The TRC was made by me visible with gold paint....
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/photos/show-album.asp?albumid...
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/photos/show-album.asp?albumid...
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/photos/show-album.asp?albumid...
under TRC you can adjust the TR....

It's a stunning and great sounding guitar.... I love it!!!

Bernie
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arumako
Posted 2020-10-18 1:25 AM (#554069 - in reply to #554045)
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Hey Love O Fair! I've got a 1678AV50-5, 11 of 50 from the USA build (thanks Mr. Pepiak!). Everything Bernie and the others said is accurate. They are amazing instruments, and I play mine every day... Well, actually, when I don't have time, it's displayed in a place that allows me to, at the very least, hold it each day! Lol, but true. The one your lookin' at... mmm, idunno?

I gotta say, I agree with 2wheeldrummer about the "50 Limited USA Build" expanding to 150 worldwide thing... that was kinda weird from my perspective. Still, the 12-Fretter piano black Elite is an incredible instrument. Good luck LOF!


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Standingovation
Posted 2020-10-18 8:48 AM (#554070 - in reply to #554045)
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Maybe not relevant but Takamine does their limited editions like this ... they announce (for example) 100 guitars with 50 of them going to Asia, 25 North America and 25 Europe. The factory just numbers them 1-100 and they are shipped more or less randomly to fill the orders they have without prioritizing any one region over another. The only caveat being that in Japan I think Takamine distributes directly to the retailers, where as in the US and Europe they ship to distributors (like ESP) who then fill their orders to the retailers so maybe some small delays. But the important thing is that the guitars are just 1-100 with no duplicates.

What DW did with the Anniversary guitars was indeed kind of screwy but hey, in the grand scheme of things does it really matter? I'm growing to care less and less about certificates, serial numbers, cosmetics etc and just focus on the damn guitar do I enjoy playing it or not?

This is why Ovation Gallery has morphed into My Guitar Gallery
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standing
Posted 2020-10-18 1:45 PM (#554071 - in reply to #554045)
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Am I understanding the above correctly?
Are you guys saying that 3 identical sets (of 50 each) of those models were produced and shipped to 3 separate markets, and each of those 3 sets was numbered 1 through 50 (of 50)?

If so, who will admit to having tracked down and obtained all three of any given “x of 50”?
Who has all 3 “1 of 50”s? ;-)

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what was done? It doesn’t make much sense to have identical duplicate numbers of a limited edition, regardless of where they were originally shipped/sold. (If that’s actually what was done, I’m sure it’s already been discussed, but, sorry, I’m too lazy to search the archives, and too absent minded to remember if I already knew that and forgot it.)

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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-10-18 7:18 PM (#554074 - in reply to #554071)
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standing - 2020-10-18 1:45 PM

Am I understanding the above correctly?
Are you guys saying that 3 identical sets (of 50 each) of those models were produced and shipped to 3 separate markets, and each of those 3 sets was numbered 1 through 50 (of 50)?

If so, who will admit to having tracked down and obtained all three of any given “x of 50”?
Who has all 3 “1 of 50”s? ;-)

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what was done? It doesn’t make much sense to have identical duplicate numbers of a limited edition, regardless of where they were originally shipped/sold. (If that’s actually what was done, I’m sure it’s already been discussed, but, sorry, I’m too lazy to search the archives, and too absent minded to remember if I already knew that and forgot it.)



Standing Yes I've read that they made 3 sets of each model numbered 1 through 50 of 50 for each of 3 markets US,Europe and Asia.......No it doesn't make sense and to me it was one of the downfalls of the Re-opened New Hartford facility that then re-closed and opened in a smaller building...I remember seeing a few of these being blown out at really low prices on Sweetwater and I'm betting Sweetwater wasn't to happy to have invested in selling limited edition guitars that weren't so limited..since then I have never seen a US made Ovation on there site..makes you wonder.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2020-10-18 8:12 PM (#554075 - in reply to #554045)
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Well... There is the allure of "Limited Edition of 50"
with the profit multiplied by Three.

1/50, or 1/150? Which seems cooler?
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bburg
Posted 2020-10-19 1:26 AM (#554077 - in reply to #554045)
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But you can identify them. The Europian models have an "E" behind the model-No. The models from Asia an "A"... The USA models ? On the COA is the same.

Bernie
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Love O Fair
Posted 2020-10-19 1:57 PM (#554079 - in reply to #554045)
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I guess if you're in the USA, then coming into possession of an "E" or an "A" model might be a nifty twist. And better still would be to own the same sequence number of all three. Assuming that two initially went to continents other than your own and had to be tracked down by number would actually make it a very unique collection, especially if you were the one to go track them down because it was your wealthy grandfather's dying wish to keep you written in his will (at which point could be a great plot for a sappy romance screen play like we talked about last week). The End.
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bburg
Posted 2020-10-19 2:22 PM (#554080 - in reply to #554045)
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Nr. 1/50 of the 1678 with the "E" is currantly available in Germany. To get the others would be your challange.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Akustikgitarre-Ovation-50-Anniversary-Blattg...

Bernie
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2020-10-20 2:30 PM (#554083 - in reply to #554045)
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So glad I ordered all of my customs 15 years ago. Each is most likely 1 of 1.
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elginacres
Posted 2020-10-24 1:11 PM (#554109 - in reply to #554045)
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I picked up two of the early ones #3 Folklore USA, #3 Legend USA, mostly to help kickstart the reboot. The Legend shipped without label and COA...I didn't care...then a month later out of the blue an envelope arrives with each....from John Budny...impeccable service was the norm.

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elginacres
Posted 2020-10-24 1:44 PM (#554110 - in reply to #554045)
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Pick of the above mentioned Twins...as each says USA on the Back...and I picked them out at the factory at the 50th celebration - I would say the whole numbers 1-50 on different continents plan was already in place.

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