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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-03 10:12 AM (#550314 - in reply to #550308)
Subject: Re: The Black Pearl...



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Thanks, Jay.

I've read that the top's stiffness comes from the light grain, not the dark. Using that theory, the wider the grain, the stiffer the top.

Some luthiers actually measure stiffness by suspending the bare wood top between two supports and adding weights to the middle and then measure the deflection. Those who do this record the deflection. Then, once the guitar is finished they have a yardstick by which they can judge future top wood will sound once finished.

I just tap the wood and listen to the resonance. So far, so good.

jay - 2019-11-03 6:40 AM

Dan...can you tell if the grain makes a significant difference acoustically compared to...say...485? I have read...it makes a difference, it doesn't make a difference, it is the sum of the parts...etc etc etc. Your top is visually stunning in its definition of its grain. Again, congrats.

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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-03 11:25 AM (#550316 - in reply to #549601)
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Here's the back shots.

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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-11-03 11:51 AM (#550317 - in reply to #549601)
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Sweet..More guitar porn..But then I think we all like a nice round bottom !!!!
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-03 12:08 PM (#550318 - in reply to #550317)
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2wheeldrummer - 2019-11-03 9:51 AM

Sweet..More guitar porn..But then I think we all like a nice round bottom !!!!

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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-11-03 2:34 PM (#550319 - in reply to #549601)
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Love O Fair
Posted 2019-11-03 4:38 PM (#550321 - in reply to #549601)
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@Dan - >>> It's not every day you see a dog driving a car<<<

And, collecting cab fares to earn his own booty. Enterprising little mutt, I'll give him that.
Wait.. did I say "booty"?

Oh.. PS.. nice bowl on the guitar, too :-)



Edited by Love O Fair 2019-11-03 4:55 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-03 8:08 PM (#550324 - in reply to #550321)
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Love O Fair - 2019-11-03 2:38 PM

Oh.. PS.. nice bowl on the guitar, too :-)



Thanks!

It's not done using the same technique as the factory uses, but it is a reasonable facsimile.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2019-11-03 8:47 PM (#550325 - in reply to #549601)
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@Dan - >>>It's not done using the same technique as the factory uses, but it is a reasonable facsimile.<<<

I like it. It definitely has its own character, and appears maybe a bit more slick to the pant leg than factory, and not quite as uniform in texture inch-to-inch across the surface, though I am in the dark as to exactly how you arrived at that texture/finish and materials used.
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keldon85
Posted 2019-11-04 10:17 AM (#550334 - in reply to #549601)
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A beautiful instrument, with painstaking details in construction and appearance. Now, how does it sound in comparison to the factory instruments with that type of bowl?
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-04 11:16 AM (#550336 - in reply to #550334)
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keldon85 - 2019-11-04 8:17 AM

A beautiful instrument, with painstaking details in construction and appearance. Now, how does it sound in comparison to the factory instruments with that type of bowl?


Thanks.

There's no comparison between a normal guitar and one with a torrefied top, like this one.

It sounds like an Ovation guitar, but like it's on steroids.

It has deep, rich bass with lots of sustain, ringing mid-tones and sparkling highs.

When you dig in during strumming, it just gets louder without losing any clarity.

I'll shoot some video today and post it to youtube.

Edited by DanSavage 2019-11-04 11:18 AM
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-11-04 3:31 PM (#550340 - in reply to #550286)
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marenostrum - 2019-11-02 2:33 AM

Dan......beautiful guitar !! ...... stunning artwork ........ I want one


+1

An Ovation on steroids that looks this beautiful your going to have people lining up for you to build one for them!!!
The more I look at the pictures the greater my appreciation for the skilled artistry behind the build.
Congrats on a magnificent instrument may she bring you joy for years to come.



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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-04 4:48 PM (#550341 - in reply to #550340)
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Thanks, Kevin.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2019-11-04 5:00 PM (#550343 - in reply to #550341)
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"There's no comparison between a normal guitar and one with a torrefied top, like this one. It sounds like an Ovation guitar, but like it's on steroids."

Gotta agree with Dan on this. Aptly describes the difference between the parlor I sent him... and the one he sent back.

The difference is more than striking.



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moody, p.i.
Posted 2019-11-04 6:16 PM (#550346 - in reply to #549601)
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Yup.... About 10 years ago Ovation built a very limited edition Legend with a torrefied Addy spruce top. Wonder what it sounded like? Anybody buy one of those?
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2019-11-05 5:56 AM (#550357 - in reply to #550293)
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DanSavage - 2019-11-02 9:58 PM

There's a free OCP-1K saddle for the first one to point out the obvious mistake seen in this photo.

Not a flaw in workmanship or imperfection in material.

An actual mistake I made in both planning and execution.

It might help to view the actual image instead of the reduced size shown in this web page.




So with that mistake you can only throw it away. I will gladly take it .
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-11-05 9:16 PM (#550363 - in reply to #550346)
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moody, p.i. - 2019-11-04 4:16 PM

Yup.... About 10 years ago Ovation built a very limited edition Legend with a torrefied Addy spruce top. Wonder what it sounded like? Anybody buy one of those?


There was the 2011 1617ALE-1, but it wasn't torrefied. Just a normal Adi top.

I haven't played one, nor even held one in my hands. I'd be curious to check one out.

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DarenSavage
Posted 2019-12-23 2:56 PM (#550773 - in reply to #549601)
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I'm in Cali for the holidays. I got to play the Black Pearl last night. What a sweet playing and sounding guitar. Bravisimo!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2019-12-24 12:03 AM (#550786 - in reply to #550363)
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DanSavage - 2019-11-05 8:16 PM

moody, p.i. - 2019-11-04 4:16 PM

Yup.... About 10 years ago Ovation built a very limited edition Legend with a torrefied Addy spruce top. Wonder what it sounded like? Anybody buy one of those?


There was the 2011 1617ALE-1, but it wasn't torrefied. Just a normal Adi top.

I haven't played one, nor even held one in my hands. I'd be curious to check one out.


Come up to Boise and play mine. It needs it. I could also use your help with a bump at the 14th fret, which is my excuse for the lack of playing time. The 2011 and the 2010 are both great guitars. The 2010 hangs next to my 1537, since it bears some similarities. The 2011 hangs next to it and the 2004 Commemorative CL, maybe the best of the Legends.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2020-01-23 11:37 PM (#551044 - in reply to #549601)
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I played the Black Pearl tonight. A rather remarkable guitar!

First, it's a striking guitar to look at and hold. The inlays are like a custom legend but a bit beyond and they are beautiful. The top is a torrified addy piece of wood. Wide grain (as addy tops tend to be) but it adds to the striking look. All that Dan has done has made a beautiful guitar. He believes that it is his piece de resistance and I tend to agree with him.

Sound wise, it's the deepest most resonant wood topped Ovation I've ever played. Even more than my Dan Savage Legend. Dan attributes that to the heavy ebony CL bridge. Could be. Mine has a rosewood 5 pointer. Whatever, it's really something to play and hear. Very dreadnaught-ish. And this is with the extra light strings that he loves! I wonder what it would sound like with lights or mediums (I would go with mediums and then take it to a bluegrass jam - the Martin players' heads would explode!).

All in all, very very impressive.....
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DanSavage
Posted 2020-01-24 12:38 PM (#551046 - in reply to #551044)
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Thanks, Paul. It was good to see you again.

It's funny. When Daren and I were playing together over the holidays (him on the Black Parlor and me on the Black Pearl) we noticed that when I would play the Parlor fingerstyle, it was noticeably louder than the Pearl. But, when we played rhythm with picks, the Pearl was louder.

We attributed this to the different woods. The Parlor uses torrefied Englemann and the Pearl, torrefied Adi. Since Englemann isn't as stiff as Adi, this makes perfect sense.

Mostly, what we noticed was how good the two guitars sounded when played together. They really compliment each other.
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2020-01-24 5:59 PM (#551048 - in reply to #551046)
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DanSavage - 2020-01-24 12:38 PM


Mostly, what we noticed was how good the two guitars sounded when played together. They really compliment each other.


Great to hear a review of what we all knew would be a spectacular guitar!!!!

So are we still going to get the long awaited sound clips so we can drool on our computer screens to angelic voice of the "Black Pearl"


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