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kentrookie
Posted 2019-03-24 6:17 PM (#547460 - in reply to #546714)
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Man those are nice (guitars.

For those of you using a mac that's control >open image in new tab... not sure of the resolution but it is a larger picture with where you can see more of the detail of this beautiful guitar.>>>> 1024x768)

But y'all probably already knew that.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-24 8:19 PM (#547463 - in reply to #547460)
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kentrookie - 2019-03-24 4:17 PM

Man those are nice (guitars.

For those of you using a mac that's control >open image in new tab... not sure of the resolution but it is a larger picture with where you can see more of the detail of this beautiful guitar.>>>> 1024x768)

But y'all probably already knew that.


Thanks, Kent! Yep, you're right. 1024x768.
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arumako
Posted 2019-03-24 10:10 PM (#547464 - in reply to #546714)
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You've got the consistency of your rebuilds upto the level of an artform! I suppose that's another way of saying "craftsmanship". Knowing these are torrefied tops, you know these are going to have really special voices. All this is tempting me to strip down Vincent (my '97C) of the poly-finish and refinish him with French polish. The rosette, binding/purfling combination is beautiful... almost time for moody, p.i. to make his entrance!
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DarenSavage
Posted 2019-03-25 3:33 AM (#547466 - in reply to #547457)
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Jonmark Stone - 2019-03-24 4:31 PM

Wow.

Welcome to the club.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2019-03-26 9:11 AM (#547472 - in reply to #546714)
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Medullary rays, 'eh? Goes to show that you just never know what you'll learn from Dan Savage on any given day. So if you have a piece of wood that has silking across it, and you quartersaw it perpendicular across the silking lines, the tiny specks you see on the sawed edge are the tip ends of the severed medullary rays? Like little conduit tubes that carry nutrient? I think we saw some medullary rays that you weren't very happy about on a tiny block of wood you were using about a year ago to repair the chipped ear on a headstock. Anyway, thanks for the lesson!


Edited by Love O Fair 2019-03-26 9:19 AM
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Tom The Piddler
Posted 2019-03-29 5:51 PM (#547509 - in reply to #547472)
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Love O Fair - 2019-03-26 9:11 AM

"Goes to show that you just never know what you'll learn from Dan Savage on any given day."



I second that!



Edited by Tom The Piddler 2019-03-29 5:55 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-03 12:20 AM (#547543 - in reply to #547509)
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Just a quick update.

I've finished spraying the finish on the guitars.

Now, I'm waiting a week for the polymer chains to fully cross-link and then I'll start the cut and polish process.
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arumako
Posted 2019-04-03 8:30 AM (#547545 - in reply to #546714)
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Thanks for the update Dan...waiting with bated breath!
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-04-03 5:53 PM (#547550 - in reply to #546714)
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Cool!!!! Looking forward to the beauty shots of the finished guitars.
Were getting in deep this time from medullary rays to crosslinked polymer chains,when does the chemistry class start


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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-03 8:33 PM (#547551 - in reply to #547550)
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2wheeldrummer - 2019-04-03 3:53 PM

Were getting in deep this time from medullary rays to crosslinked polymer chains,when does the chemistry class start


Yeah, that's a fancy way to say, 'wait for the finish to cure.'

Class over.
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Notalent
Posted 2019-04-11 10:15 PM (#547633 - in reply to #546714)
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Thank you. I love to watch the rebuilds from you. I enjoyed Arumako’s too. We should get a tv show for you guys; something like ‘Ovation Rescue’, or ‘Bowl Bending’....I bet Discovery would buy it...you could even do Guitar Builder challenges...

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Patch
Posted 2019-04-12 8:20 AM (#547634 - in reply to #547633)
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Notalent - 2019-04-11 11:15 PM ...you could even do Guitar Builder challenges...

 

The losing instrument gets "trebucheted"...

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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-12 12:05 PM (#547644 - in reply to #547634)
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Yeah, I think I'll pass on the whole reality-show thing. Re-topping guitars is stressful enough.

Speaking of which, I got mine strung up last night. It's a cool-looking, sweet-sounding guitar.

I'll be stringing up Jonmark's guitar tonight. Once it's done I'll post a couple of Q&D photos.

I'll post proper beauty shots tomorrow afternoon.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2019-04-12 2:36 PM (#547649 - in reply to #546714)
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Any chance that I might swing by tomorrow about noon to take a look?
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2019-04-12 3:38 PM (#547651 - in reply to #547649)
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Great news. Spring weather is cooperating at this end.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-12 4:28 PM (#547652 - in reply to #547651)
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Paul,

That sounds fine to me.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2019-04-12 6:34 PM (#547653 - in reply to #546714)
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Cool. I'll call before I get there.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-12 9:46 PM (#547657 - in reply to #546714)
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Here's the Q&D photo.

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arumako
Posted 2019-04-12 11:06 PM (#547658 - in reply to #546714)
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Oh WOW, Dan! Looking aweful SWEET! Hope your able to get some video of moody, p.i. playing those beauties! As always, thanks for sharing!
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marenostrum
Posted 2019-04-13 11:11 AM (#547662 - in reply to #547658)
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arumako - 2019-04-12 6:06 AM

Oh WOW, Dan! Looking aweful SWEET! Hope your able to get some video of moody, p.i. playing those beauties! As always, thanks for sharing!



+1
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BCam
Posted 2019-04-13 12:41 PM (#547663 - in reply to #546714)
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Beautiful, they have the look of an antique Spanish guitar.
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-04-13 3:35 PM (#547668 - in reply to #546714)
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Sweet!!!!!!!!
Both are beautiful but love the look of the one on the right,Yours I believe

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Love O Fair
Posted 2019-04-13 4:38 PM (#547669 - in reply to #546714)
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Like twins of different parents. Then cousin Dan came along and merged the proper pedigree. Hoping you and Paul are recording that dual dueling duo as I type. We'd love to hear one! To the mad scientist behind the door at Savage Laboratories I am sending congratulations on yet another fine marvel of keen craftsmanship!
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2019-04-13 5:04 PM (#547670 - in reply to #547669)
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Is the new compensated sadle your doing, Dan?
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-04-13 6:22 PM (#547673 - in reply to #547670)
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Ken,
Thanks! Sorry, no video today. Paul came over and played them -- loved them, but no video.

Bob,
Yes, the antique look is one of my favorite features of the torrefied wood tops. Well, that an the antique sound.

Kevin,
Thanks! Yes, I've become partial to it, too. I really liked the look of my I had my 2078T (Darth Ovation) along with the blacked-out look of the 2007 Collectors. In fact, the 2007C was a strong influence on this one. I originally put gold strap buttons on it when I put it together, but they looked out of place, so I replaced them with black ones. The black binding really makes the black MOP purfling pop.

Al,
Ha ha! Hence the thread title, 'Dualing Parlors.' Not so much identical twins any more as much as fraternal twins.

Sorry, no video today. I can say, and I know Paul will back me up, they both sound as spectacular as they look. Sound-wise, they are very similar with only very subtle differences. It would take a very good ear to be able to tell the difference between the two.

Jonmark's is slightly more resonant than mine. I attribute this more to the construction than the species of wood. When Ovation built Jonmark's they thinned the top quite a bit more than usual. As a result, when the neck got glued on, the fretboard extension is closer to the top. To keep from having to remove the neck and reset it, I had to eliminate the usual tapering I do when I thickness sand the tops.

Mine is tapered as usual, so it's slightly less resonant. As Paul said today, it'll be interesting to hear these guitars in a year or two. Even though the torrefied wood sounds (very) broken it, the wood continues to open up with age. It happens a lot faster than non-torrefied wood, but it still happens.

Jonmark,
Good eye. No, the compensated saddle I made is for the wide pick-up. (OCP-1K)

For some reason, when Ovation built these 5741 guitas, they used the slimline pick-ups, but used non-compensated saddles. I replaced yours with a compensated slimline saddle and the intonation is perfect. It plays in tune all the way up and down the neck. You're really going to like it. I put Elixer 80/20 Extra Light strings on both guitars.

I used the same Chicom undersaddle pick-up I put on my Frankenvation, then topped it with a Graphtech compensated black Tusq XL saddle. I also used the black Tusq nut on mine.

I've decided that one of my next 3D projects is to create a replacement compensated slimline saddle. Well, that and some preamp slider knobs. Mine was missing a couple of knobs, so I'm going to make some replacements. Once they're done, they'll go on my Shapeways page where anyone can buy them.

Speaking of Shapeways, they recently started offering very high-end, very rigid polyurethane and urethane methacrylate materials, so I ordered one of each. Once they get here, I'll put them on a couple of guitars to hear how they sound.
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