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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-17 4:43 PM (#547397 - in reply to #547382)
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DarenSavage - 2019-03-14 10:20 PM

Here's a nostalgia pic for you. Su-27P Flanker & Su-27IB Platypus on the tarmac.

Su-27 Flanker & Su-27IB Platepus on the tarmac.

Those parlors are looking very pretty. I'm sure they're going to sound as good as they look!



Yeah, those were pretty cool models. Sniff, sniff.

Thanks! They'll both sound good, but slightly different. I'm looking forward to hearing them.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-17 4:50 PM (#547398 - in reply to #546714)
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I got the purfling glued down to both guitars. Mine has black pearl and Jonmark's has abalone.

Purfling scraped down level with the tops.

Binding sized and glued into place. Mine has black and Jonmark's has tortoise shell.

I'll scrape these down tomorrow after the glue has dried. After that, I'll touch up the bowls, and then it's finishing time. (Yay!)

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Love O Fair
Posted 2019-03-17 11:11 PM (#547403 - in reply to #546714)
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Not that I know squat.. but can you instead opt to scrape the purfling AFTER you set the binding so as to match flush with both the top and the binding edge, or is the binding edge too far below the scrape level of the top?
>>>and then it's finishing time<<<
Ah yes.. my favorite stage. Eastwood 2k on these??





Edited by Love O Fair 2019-03-17 11:25 PM
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2019-03-18 5:17 AM (#547404 - in reply to #546714)
Subject: Re: Dualing Parlors...



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WOW these are going to be wonderful guitars. If one of them would be mine I would have asked you to add an abalone purfling beside the fretboard extension, just like the Martin "45" style. Did you ever try that?
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-18 11:42 AM (#547405 - in reply to #547403)
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Love O Fair - 2019-03-17 9:11 PM

Not that I know squat.. but can you instead opt to scrape the purfling AFTER you set the binding so as to match flush with both the top and the binding edge, or is the binding edge too far below the scrape level of the top?
>>>and then it's finishing time<<<
Ah yes.. my favorite stage. Eastwood 2k on these??



The zipflex purfling is only .055" tall, so that's as deep as purfling channel can be routed. I've found it's better to have the top of the zipflex as close as possible to being flush with the top to minimize how much the shell needs to be scraped.

The BWB purfling is almost twice as deep, which means that about half of the BWB is above the top. This is too tall to get a good glue joint with the binding. So, the BWB needs to be scraped down before the binding is glued.

The binding is quite a bit taller that what is needed, so I use my Stewmac binding trimmer to get them close to flush. This minimizes the amount of scraping it needs.

Whether the purfling gets scraped to level with the top before the binding is glued or after, I've done it both ways. Plain purling is glued on at the same time as the binding, so they all get scraped at the same time. The zipflex has to be glued with CA, so the gluing technique is different.

Yes, these will be finished with Eastwood 2K.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-18 11:46 AM (#547406 - in reply to #547404)
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DetlefMichel - 2019-03-18 3:17 AM

WOW these are going to be wonderful guitars. If one of them would be mine I would have asked you to add an abalone purfling beside the fretboard extension, just like the Martin "45" style. Did you ever try that?


Thanks!

I know what you're talking about, but I've never done it myself. I like how it looks, too.

If I were to try, it would have to be on a guitar with a removable neck. It would be very difficult to nearly impossible on a guitar with the neck in place, such as these.

In fact, I'm really beginning to dislike replacing the tops on guitars with the necks in place. It's hard enough with plain BWB purfling. Making the shell purfling look good at the ends added another level of difficulty.
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2019-03-18 5:43 PM (#547412 - in reply to #546714)
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Don't those parlors have bolt-on necks I would have thought "97 " would be bolt-on,I suppose it's a bit of a Catch-22 if you take the neck off its easier to work on the top but then you have to do a neck-reset after you get the new top finished,Beautiful work all the way around and I love the silking on the Engleman Spruce.

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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-19 10:21 AM (#547417 - in reply to #547412)
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2wheeldrummer - 2019-03-18 3:43 PM

Don't those parlors have bolt-on necks I would have thought "97 " would be bolt-on,I suppose it's a bit of a Catch-22 if you take the neck off its easier to work on the top but then you have to do a neck-reset after you get the new top finished,Beautiful work all the way around and I love the silking on the Engleman Spruce.



They do not. By 82 or 83 Ovation had moved over to the bolt-on neck via the K-bar and the SMC bowl. These have the SMC bowl, but the truss-rod neck. The glue-on neck is a pain to work around when re-topping, but the TR makes for a lighter guitar.

I prefer to align the neck during the construction phase. By the time the guitar is finished, it's just a matter of attaching the neck, either by gluing or by bolting it on.

Thanks.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2019-03-19 10:33 AM (#547418 - in reply to #546714)
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Beautiful, Dan. Thanks for your hard work.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-19 4:53 PM (#547419 - in reply to #547418)
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Thanks, Jonmark.

It won't be long now.
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arumako
Posted 2019-03-20 5:17 PM (#547427 - in reply to #546714)
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Beautiful! Jonmark Stone is in for a real treat! That's some fine detail with the purfling under the neck, Dan. How did you get that in so clean? Looking forward to a smooth finish!
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-21 3:05 PM (#547436 - in reply to #547427)
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arumako - 2019-03-20 3:17 PM

Beautiful! Jonmark Stone is in for a real treat! That's some fine detail with the purfling under the neck, Dan. How did you get that in so clean? Looking forward to a smooth finish!


Thanks, Ken.

If you go back to Patch's Parlor thread there's step-by-step photos of how the shell purfling is glued into place.

Because the purfling is glued a piece at a time instead of all at once like the BWB purfling, this allows some time to fit the pieces into place before hitting them with the thin CA.

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DarenSavage
Posted 2019-03-22 5:45 AM (#547440 - in reply to #546714)
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I mentioned to Dan it was hard to tell the difference between the abalone and black pearl binding in his earlier photos. Dan said it was because of the flash. He texted this flash-free photo. Youza!

Dueling Parlors they are!



Edited by DarenSavage 2019-03-22 5:49 AM
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DetlefMichel
Posted 2019-03-22 6:59 AM (#547442 - in reply to #546714)
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The abalone has the bling that I love but the black pearl with the tortoiseshell binding surely will look more elegant...the best would be to own both of them...
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2019-03-22 9:00 AM (#547445 - in reply to #546714)
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Both are stunning and the binding is a perfect match for the rosette on each.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-22 11:14 AM (#547447 - in reply to #547440)
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DarenSavage - 2019-03-22 3:45 AM

I mentioned to Dan it was hard to tell the difference between the abalone and black pearl binding in his earlier photos. Dan said it was because of the flash. He texted this flash-free photo. Youza!

Dueling Parlors they are!



Yeah. From even a short distance it almost looks like my parlor doesn't even have shell purfling.

It's not until you get close and catch it when the light hits it that you can see the pearl.

Then, the black binding makes it look like it's not even there, like the top continues all the way to the edge.

I'm still getting used to looking at it. I like it, but it's really different from what I'm used to seeing on standard Ovations.
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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-22 11:17 AM (#547448 - in reply to #547442)
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DetlefMichel - 2019-03-22 4:59 AM

The abalone has the bling that I love but the black pearl with the tortoiseshell binding surely will look more elegant...the best would be to own both of them...

The abalone does have a lot of sparkle compared to the black pearl.

Interestingly, the tortoise shell binding of this thickness is almost black. Here's a couple of pics that show what I mean. You can see a few light brown spots, but mostly it's a very dark brown, almost black.

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DanSavage
Posted 2019-03-22 11:27 AM (#547449 - in reply to #547445)
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Mark in Boise - 2019-03-22 7:00 AM

Both are stunning and the binding is a perfect match for the rosette on each.


Thanks, Mark. I think so, too.
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