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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-10 2:19 PM (#544407)
Subject: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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I just received this guitar.




It has been used, but not abused.
I believe that the previous owner has passed-on and his son sold me this.
So, he didn't really clean it before selling it.
There is "salt" residue on the lower bout where your sweaty arm would rest.

But I will be cleaning this soon.

Now to the BFLG question...
My "cat's eye" is coming loose.


How do I fix this? What glue? Crazy Glue?

Because the Fret-ends are sticking out a bit, I think that this needs to be humidified.
Once I humidify this, do you think that the Ebony on the Cat's Eye will grow with humidity and flatten out the rosette? Educated input is greatly appreciated.

I need to get back to playing with my New Toy.

Oh, is it supposed to be darker on the back of the headstock like this?


Edited by Old Man Arthur 2018-07-10 2:39 PM
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d'ovation
Posted 2018-07-10 2:49 PM (#544408 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question


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Congrats, that is a cool guitar and I wonder how it will compare to your other Adamas. There are two pictures with something lose in the case, but I guess that's not what you're referring to. Is there a gap pictured in the lower part of the pictures? I think you should determine if the body is still flat or has sunk a bit which might cause the partial lifting of a "straight" decoration. A slightly sunk top could indicate a lose brace, which you can also look for easily.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-10 3:36 PM (#544409 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Top is flat. Rosette is lifting.
Fingerboard is dry. I think that the Ebony on the rosette shrunk.
I also figure that if you "drum" on an Adamas top you can hear a loose brace.

Oh, and that "something loose in the case" is a wide cloth strap that came with the guitar.

Edited by Old Man Arthur 2018-07-10 3:39 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-07-10 3:39 PM (#544410 - in reply to #544408)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Nice guitar, Art. I've always liked these models.

How much effort does it take to press the cat's eye back down so it makes contact with the top?

The ebony might expand with added humidity. If it's pretty easy to push down to make contact with the top, I would just glue it, then humidify the guitar.

I would use 5-minute epoxy rather than CA for this job. I recommend epoxy over CA because you'll have some time to clean up any squeeze-out using denatured alcohol to wet out either a folded paper towel or a Q-tip.

Also, the 5-minute epoxy will cure soon enough that you won't need to clamp anything. You can just hold it in place while the glue cures. This is how I glue on all of the rosettes I've done.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-10 3:50 PM (#544411 - in reply to #544410)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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DanSavage - 2018-07-10 1:39 PM
How much effort does it take to press the cat's eye back down so it makes contact with the top?

Actually, quite a bit. I mean, I can do it with one finger but...
I think that it pulls-up hard enough to make it difficult to just hold it down with Crazy Glue.
It has a bit of "spring" to it. But it doesn't buzz when playing the guitar.
So maybe I shouldn't be stressing-out about it.
But, Y'know... You get an used guitar and you look for what is wrong with it.
And I had tuned-it-up and was playing it when I looked down and saw that.

Oh, and HERE is the photo that I should have taken before.

And that is about as far as I can push that bill into the "un-glued" space.

Also... As far as the Humidity thing goes... or the Lack of Humidity.
This guitar came from Sedona Arizona.

Edited by Old Man Arthur 2018-07-10 4:12 PM
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d'ovation
Posted 2018-07-10 4:33 PM (#544412 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question


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At least with a hole this big you should easily be able to put some kind of clamping device on to hold it in place after applying some glue or epoxy. Does it have a back door so you can see what's inside?



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Beal
Posted 2018-07-10 5:59 PM (#544413 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Mine came loose too. A little super glue with one of the StewMac needle nozels and do it from in the hole, not from over the top.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-10 6:00 PM (#544414 - in reply to #544412)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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d'ovation - 2018-07-10 2:33 PM

Does it have a back door so you can see what's inside?

Ever wonder what is inside of an Adamas 2080?
Not "Adamas Bracing"... X-Bracing.


Beal - 2018-07-10 3:59 PM

Mine came loose too. A little super glue with one of the StewMac needle nozels and do it from in the hole, not from over the top.
Thanks!
I think that I am going to wait to see what some humidity does before I glue anything.


Edited by Old Man Arthur 2018-07-10 6:04 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-07-10 6:23 PM (#544415 - in reply to #544414)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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And, a very unusual X-bracing, it is.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-10 9:14 PM (#544416 - in reply to #544408)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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d'ovation - 2018-07-10 12:49 PM

Congrats, that is a cool guitar and I wonder how it will compare to your other Adamas.

Adamas Guitar Sound Comparison -- 3 Adamii and a Seagull (outta sync)

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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-07-10 10:13 PM (#544417 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Nice demo, Arthur. All are very nice! In the end, if my vote counts, I will go with the 1681 as the winner for overall range and balance. The new strings on your 2080 are clearly sounding brand new and crisp, so if the 1681 had new strings it would probably boost my vote even higher on that one. The brand new Seagull sounds and looks to be a great value for the price as well. I always have envy of your awesome stash of guitars!



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FlySig
Posted 2018-07-11 8:32 AM (#544418 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Ditto what Beal said. Super glue using a needle to get it under there. Don't use too much.

My cat-eye lifted shortly after I got my 2080 and Beal gave me the same advice then. It has been tightly glued down for quite a few years now.
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nerdydave
Posted 2018-07-14 11:19 PM (#544481 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question


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OMA my hero!!
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2018-07-15 7:54 AM (#544485 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Nice find, Arthur. You’ve been picking up some very nice guitars of late. Congrats.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-07-15 2:12 PM (#544489 - in reply to #544407)
Subject: Re: NGD-- Adamas 2080 with a BFLG question



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Thanks Folks, but I just stumble into stuff.

Just an update. It is almost time for me to glue that cat's eye down.
It is starting to Buzz
Why now? I am thinking that as the increased humidity in my neck-o-the-woods caused the Ebony in the rosette to swell it brought the pointy-end of the Cat's Eye closer to the top. So, now it buzzes on certain notes.
Also, the Fret-ends that were sticking-out have retreated into the fingerboard.
Tomorrow I should receive some thin CA Glue and some "whip tips" in the mail.
Although I may just end-up using a needle like FlySig said.
I am looking forward to this.
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