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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-10 2:27 PM (#537686)
Subject: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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i have a lefty 1980 legend that still plays great. unbelievably, no top cracks, and the action is still fantastic. i recently contacted the Mother Ship for a replacement rosette, since i've used a feedback buster plug for years in the sound hole. the rosette has cracked and i've glued the pieces together many times, only to have it crack out somewhere else.

anyway, they are shipping me a replacement rosette and i want to know the easiest way to remove the old rosette without damaging the finish?

i used superglue to fix the broken pieces, so i know there will be some effort in removing some of it.

is there a topcoat over the rosette? if there is, then i'll have to tape up the top and score the edge.
can i use some mild heat to help soften the glue? i dont know if these were glued in place or stuck with double sided tape?

i'm pretty sure i can use a thin metal spatula to help.

has anybody replaced their rosette? how did you do it?

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DanSavage
Posted 2017-10-10 3:30 PM (#537689 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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Yeah, I've removed several rosettes.

If it's the standard 'applique'-style rosette, then there is not usually a top-coat over the rosette.

They're glued into place using epoxy.

The finish is polyester resin, so it's pretty scratch-resistant.

Personally, I would not use heat to remove it as this will, in all likelihood cause the finish around that area to shrink. This will lead to finish cracks later.

If you use a thin metal spatula, you should be able get underneath the rosette and pry it off the top. Naturally, I would mask around the rosette before starting, just in case.

Since you're not going to re-use the old rosette, you don't have to worry about keeping it intact. The only thing you'll have to worry about is scratching the finish outside the periphery of the rosette.

I hope this helps.
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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-10 4:25 PM (#537690 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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this is what mine looks like, except mine is a 1617

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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-10 4:30 PM (#537691 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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thanks, i will difinitely mask off the out side perimeter so not to scratch it.

the inside part of the rosette took the brunt of the damage. when pulling the plug out, it was very tight, and it cracked up into the main rosette. i have since shaved down the plug not to be so hard to get in and out of the hole.

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DanSavage
Posted 2017-10-10 8:01 PM (#537693 - in reply to #537690)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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leftyjay - 2017-10-10 2:25 PM

this is what mine looks like, except mine is a 1617



Yes. All of the standard rosettes use a pearloid ring behind the clear plastic rosette.

When Ovation started making the Custom Legends they wanted to make it stand out from the Legend, so they used the segmented abalone instead of the pearloid.

Edited by DanSavage 2017-10-10 8:01 PM
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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-14 10:14 PM (#537764 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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I received the Rosette from the mother ship today. Thought I would show how I replaced my beatup rosette with a new one.

 First off, i taped around the old rosette to protect the finish. I couldnt get it loose, so i decided to use heat to loosen up the glue/epoxy. To protect the finish, i added a double layer of aluminum foil. as soon as i added low heat from the heat gun, i was able to use a spatula to pull the rosette off.

check out the tan lines from the old rosette

i used 15 minute clear epoxy, clamped it in place while it set.

I cleaned up with mineral spirits and 30 minutes later, i was back in business.

Mother ship to the rescue. Another vintage O is back in business

 

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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-14 10:18 PM (#537765 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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By the way, I checked out the serial number and find it is a 1981 and not a 1980. Still, that's 36 years. Still in fantastic condition

Edited by leftyjay 2017-10-14 10:20 PM
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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-14 11:27 PM (#537767 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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DanSavage
Posted 2017-10-15 8:15 AM (#537769 - in reply to #537767)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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I can't see your images. Do you have to set them to be public view?
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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-15 1:14 PM (#537773 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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image hosting is really a pain. i had photobucket till they decided to charge $400 a year.

i'll try this again. I'm not able to edit my past posts to correct things

i taped up around the rosette and added aluminum foil to save the top from the heat gun.



with a heat gun and spatula, i was able to cleanly take the rosette off. of course the old rosette was not savable. it was dried out and cracked.

this is all thats left of the old rosette

notice the tan lines after 36 years

i used 15 minute 2 part epoxy and clamped the rosette in place

wipe the access off with mineral spirits and let it set for 30 minutes. all done

 

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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2017-10-15 3:30 PM (#537774 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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Nice Work.
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-10-15 4:18 PM (#537775 - in reply to #537774)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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WRT to image hosting, you can add them to the photo album on this site. I have a GoDaddy web account, so that I can hotlink whatever images I want.

Nice job on the rosette replacement, BTW.
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Nancy
Posted 2017-10-16 12:04 PM (#537776 - in reply to #537775)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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Nice Job! And Thank You for showing the pictures, and breaking down each step!
I Love when Dr Savage does this!
Congratulations on your *new* old 1617!!
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jay
Posted 2017-10-16 2:10 PM (#537777 - in reply to #537773)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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Lefty...Sweet replacement job! Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures. When folks chronicle undertakings like yours, it helps others in the future, not only in how...but gives them courage to do it themselves.

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Nancy
Posted 2017-10-16 4:52 PM (#537778 - in reply to #537777)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement



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jay - 2017-10-16 2:10 PM

Lefty...Sweet replacement job! Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures. When folks chronicle undertakings like yours, it helps others in the future, not only in how...but gives them courage to do it themselves.



*shaking head up and down like a bobble head in the back window on a dirt road!!*

Edited by Nancy 2017-10-16 4:53 PM
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Blue Marvel
Posted 2017-10-16 6:21 PM (#537781 - in reply to #537773)
Subject: RE: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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leftyjay - 2017-10-15 2:14 PM

image hosting is really a pain. i had photobucket till they decided to charge $400 a year.

i'll try this again. I'm not able to edit my past posts to correct things

i taped up around the rosette and added aluminum foil to save the top from the heat gun.



with a heat gun and spatula, i was able to cleanly take the rosette off. of course the old rosette was not savable. it was dried out and cracked.

this is all thats left of the old rosette

notice the tan lines after 36 years

i used 15 minute 2 part epoxy and clamped the rosette in place

wipe the access off with mineral spirits and let it set for 30 minutes. all done

 



Wow good job! That definitely took some chutzpah!
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leftyjay
Posted 2017-10-16 10:23 PM (#537784 - in reply to #537686)
Subject: Re: 1980 legend 1617 rosette replacement


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i refinish guitars for a hobby. i specialize in sparkle/metal flake finishes. not too afraid to get in over my head on a project. this wasnt too bad. problem was, there isnt any documentation other than a few short forum posts. decided if i mess it up, i'll redo the whole top. i was as careful as i could be.

you can use a heat gun, but chances are, it will mess up the rosette. i went to dollar tree and bought a $1 spatula, $1 box of aluminum foil, some blue painters tape, and some cheap 15 minute 2 part "clear" epoxy. mineral spirits to wipe the over spill.

total time from start to finish was 90 minutes. it was great to have the MS send me a new rosette.

hope this helps others who want to try this.
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