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DanSavage
Posted 2017-09-16 12:19 PM (#537422)
Subject: Patch's Parlor Build...



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Since the Frankenvation is done, I'm moving onto my next project.

Patch approached me about using some components he has to build a custom Ovation Parlor guitar.

First, there's the bare bowl. More on this later.

Then, I'm going to remove the neck from this junked 1624 and convert it to a bolt-on neck.

It'll get a sinker redwood top. I strongly encouraged Patch to go with torrefied spruce, but he strongly resisted because he's a real fan of sinker redwood. Since it's his guitar I let him have his way.

I managed to find some honest-to-goodness hen's teeth. A NIB set of Schaller 541 gold tuners. These must be the last NIB set of these tuners in the world.

And, the guitar will get an Optima preamp.



We're still deciding on the bridge and rosette.



Edited by DanSavage 2017-09-16 12:20 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-09-16 12:24 PM (#537423 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...



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Back to the bowl.

Parlor bowls are all but unobtainable. Since this one is currently in perfect, unused condition, I'm going to splash a mold from the outside before I use it for Patch's guitar.

Because I'm sure everyone will find that process interesting, I'll document it here.

Also, it's going to be a shiny bowl. Probably the only shiny bowl Parlor in the world.

Edited by DanSavage 2017-09-16 12:25 PM
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Patch
Posted 2017-09-16 7:33 PM (#537427 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: RE: Patch's Parlor Build...



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I can't thank Dan enough. When the market crash finally caught up with my, some would say out of control, guitar trading habit, I thought my custom build days were over. I wasn't all that bummed out as I had amassed a very satisfying collection of O's, but I did regret that I never got to move on to the next project I had in line at the time. I had discussed it with John Budny for years, but I wanted a Redwood parlor BAD!

Now, not only do I get the parlor, but it will be a nylon string, shiny bowl, wide-neck, SINKER redwood one as well! I have nothing against torrified spruce at all, and I may let Dan scratch his itch to get some in my hands down the road. But for now, I'm looking forward to following this build almost as much as I am to playing the final result!

Thanks again Dan!



Edited by Patch 2017-09-16 7:39 PM
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2017-09-16 11:08 PM (#537434 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...


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Patch, if it means anything to you, I had Dan put a torrefied Adirondack spruce top and braces on my 1113. Best sounding Ovation O I've ever heard.....
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2017-09-17 3:43 PM (#537437 - in reply to #537434)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...


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Well... this'll be fun...
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-09-17 5:25 PM (#537438 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: RE: Patch's Parlor Build...



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Removed the neck from the 1624 yesterday.

I cleaned off the excess epoxy from the dovetail area. The square piece of metal between the fretboard extension and the dovetail is the truss rod anchor.



Interestingly, this is a dovetail (glue-on) neck on an SMC bowl meant for a K-Bar neck. The serial number dates the guitar to 1985/86. The neck looks to me like it was glued to the bowl at the factory.

Here's the 1624 bowl on top of the parlor bowl. From this shot you can get a good idea of how much black epoxy it took to set the dovetail neck into the bolt-on pcoket. As has been said before Ovation used whatever they had at hand to keep building guitars.



Here's a close-up of the neck pocket in the body.

Taking the neck off this guitar was interesting. I knew it was an SMC bowl and there was a single bolt hole on the inside. I figured the neck was a dovetail neck, but I wasn't sure what was lurking inside the pocket. And, to top it all off, the molded-in neck block is quite thick, so I wasn't really enamored with trying to cut the neck off the bowl.



When I did the bowl bend on Jay's 485 I used my trusty heat gun. It worked, but didn't keep every part of the bowl an even temperature. For this, I decided to try IR lamps like the kind you buy in the hardware store to warm up the bathroom when taking a shower. They did work, but because they are only 125W each, it takes a while to heat the wood. These would work well to do a bowl bend because they do heat up large areas. In the end, I used my trusty heat gun.

The trick to removing the necks, or any part on an Ovation is you've got get the epoxy up to a temperature where it'll soften and turn rubbery. For the most part, room-temperature cure epoxy will start to soften at around 170-180 degrees.

For a glue joint like the bridge, you can heat up the part pretty quickly. But, with a deep joint like the neck, you need to heat soak the external areas and let the heat sink down deep enough so it'll soften the glue.

Once the glue gets soft enough, you just need to start moving the neck back and forth to break loose the glue.



Edited by DanSavage 2017-09-17 5:27 PM
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Samuels
Posted 2017-09-17 6:05 PM (#537440 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...


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I've got a 1997 parlor case with a mint interior to house this baby for you if you want it Patch, just cover the shipping and it's yours.
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-09-17 6:14 PM (#537442 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...



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Hi Samuel,

I can speak for Patch when I say he'll take it.

I just PMed my mailing address to you. Please respond to the PM with the shipping costs and I'll paypal the money to you.

Thanks again,

Dan
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Patch
Posted 2017-09-18 7:38 AM (#537455 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: RE: Patch's Parlor Build...



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Thanks Samuel, and Dan's right, I'm gonna need it.

Dan, just let me know how to square up any costs.



Edited by Patch 2017-09-18 7:38 AM
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-09-18 7:07 PM (#537470 - in reply to #537422)
Subject: Re: Patch's Parlor Build...



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No worries, Patch.

We'll work it out as time progresses.
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