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PEZ
Posted 2007-10-30 7:22 PM (#76722 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by xbj:
Hey, Fender's had great luck with reissues of all kinds... maybe they'll want to reissue some classic Ovation solid and hollow body electrics, hmmmmmmmm?

Not to mention amps...
LOL
I had the same thought
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Tommy M.
Posted 2007-10-30 7:29 PM (#76723 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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A pre CBS Fender... A pre Fender, Ovation. Could bring value to our existing collection. We've always said that Ovations don't get the respect they deserve. Could Fender change things? I guess it all remains to be seen. Just as long as they don't change the personal touch from that little old guitar factory in the 150 year old brick building in New Hartford, Ct.
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PEZ
Posted 2007-10-30 7:30 PM (#76724 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Zukowski? Al, don't we have more than our quota of Pollocks on this board?
I been since 2003
I'm in under the quota!!!
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PEZ
Posted 2007-10-30 7:35 PM (#76725 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by Tommy M.:
A pre CBS Fender... A pre Fender, Ovation. Could bring value to our existing collection. We've always said that Ovations don't get the respect they deserve. Could Fender change things? I guess it all remains to be seen. Just as long as they don't change the personal touch from that little old guitar factory in the 150 year old brick building in New Hartford, Ct.
Pre fender Ovations like will become full fledge collectors ideam.
Almost without a doubt.
I imagine the last Pre Fender USA Ovation may be snapped up real quickly off store shelfs.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-10-30 9:50 PM (#76726 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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Just kidding, PEZ. Maybe I should sign with my real name.
Mark Prusynski
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PEZ
Posted 2007-10-30 10:15 PM (#76727 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Just kidding, PEZ. Maybe I should sign with my real name.
Mark Prusynski
I know
I was kidding back
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2007-10-31 2:18 AM (#76728 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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Happy (belated) B-Day Al.

When one large corporation (advised by lawyers) "buys" another large corporation (also advised by lawyers, usually stock the stock holders and the lawyers go play golf and have lunch somewhere, big money changes hands, and nothing really changes down-stream (unless the buyer has a penchant for gutting their acquisitions) that wasn't going to happen eventually. I really think KMC is an improvement to Fender's overall package.
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richardd
Posted 2007-10-31 4:06 AM (#76729 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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As a major fan of Gretsch guitars I can tell you that the Fender involvement has been a godsend for what was a fledgling brand.
They seem to understand what players want and totally revamped the spec's and the range of instruments to the point where a pre Fender is generally nowhere near as good a guitar as a post model.
Also their marketing with the "Frontline" style magazines has also worked really well for Gretsch.
I think Fender definately see great untaped potential in the Ovation and Hamer lines and will give both lines a big kick along which can only be a good thing.
....only time will tell
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Jeff
Posted 2007-10-31 12:33 PM (#76730 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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Originally posted by richardd:
As a major fan of Gretsch guitars I can tell you that the Fender involvement has been a godsend for what was a fledgling brand.
They seem to understand what players want and totally revamped the spec's and the range of instruments to the point where a pre Fender is generally nowhere near as good a guitar as a post model.
Also their marketing with the "Frontline" style magazines has also worked really well for Gretsch.
I think Fender definately see great untaped potential in the Ovation and Hamer lines and will give both lines a big kick along which can only be a good thing.
....only time will tell
As the proud and very happy owner of a "Post-Fender" Gretsch Country Gent, I have to agree with the above statement. While news of the sale came as a big surprise to most of us, I honestly believe it will be good for Ovation. My only concern is if Ovation-Hamer Customer service defaults to Arizona, which I hope it doesn't.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-10-31 12:36 PM (#76731 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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I DO hope the Fender Reps pick up on our irreverent sense of humour as they flood this board.......
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2007-10-31 5:04 PM (#76732 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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Yeah, except for those of us who may not have been being funny...... :D ;)

--Karen
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Beal
Posted 2007-10-31 5:12 PM (#76733 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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I hear that Hamer is going to come out with a reissue of the Daytona. Would be something new for Fender.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-10-31 10:42 PM (#76734 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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I guess I was ahead of the times for a change..





This is an actual Fender "Goth" Strat with an Ovation neck!!!! I put this together a couple of years ago. Maybe it sent some subliminal message.
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muzza
Posted 2007-10-31 11:22 PM (#76735 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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1) Happy Birthday Al

2) I don't think I'm too happy about this takeover. Time will tell.
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bvince
Posted 2007-11-01 7:19 AM (#76736 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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I hope that the one good thing that come from this is a fresh marketing strategy for Adamas/Ovation guitars. As we have discussed many times before, marketing has really sucked.
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vision
Posted 2007-11-06 11:47 AM (#76737 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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I have heard through the local guitar shops that knew about this aquisition before I did - all Fender wants is the distribution part of Ovation. Ovation has one and Fender doesn't. So my question is, if this is true, does Fender not know how to develop their own distriubtion center - do they have to buy a company to accomplish that?

I am sending my 1537 off to the mothership this week. I am not waiting around to see if customer service takes a dive and I hope John Budney is still part of all of this - he is so great and my guitars come back in perfect condition. Will that happen under Fender's control?

I don't know what the future holds but I have been through a large company purchasing the company I worked for - it wasn't pretty. Everything that was being done right, was changed. Offices were closed and many people lost their jobs or had to uproot their families to another location in the country.

Do I like what is happening - NO!!!
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cliff
Posted 2007-11-06 12:03 PM (#76738 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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". . So my question is, if this is true, does Fender not know how to develop their own distriubtion center - do they have to buy a company to accomplish that? . ."


It's not the physical "Distribution Center".
I'm sure FMIC has several.

What they're acquiring is the distribution rights to various LINES of instruments (like Latin Percussion, for example) and the ability to incorporate the network that goes with it into FMIC.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-11-06 12:05 PM (#76739 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Fender's knobs now go to "11"... so to speak.
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vision
Posted 2007-11-06 1:10 PM (#76740 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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I hate change. :rolleyes:
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-11-06 1:56 PM (#76741 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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I wonder what's the real prize that Fender is seeking in the purchase. Is it possible they might want the Takamine action to the detriment of Ovation, or plan to promote Ovation and do away with some other part of Kaman?
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Posted 2007-11-06 1:57 PM (#76742 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender
PEZ
Posted 2007-11-06 2:08 PM (#76743 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by guitargirl777:
Well my day is fairly ruined after reading this tidbit!! As a CT resident, how nice it has been to take a short drive upstate when I have wanted/needed work done etc. I really hope they don't do a Guild repeat performance! I like having Ovation in my home state...puts us on the map.
So do I but a trade article says KMC will operate on its own for 3 years.
Lets hope that doesn't turn bad at 3 years 1 day.
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Steve
Posted 2007-11-06 2:15 PM (#76744 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender


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"I wonder what's the real prize that Fender is seeking in the purchase."

That's the heart of the problem. If Fender was specific about why they were doing this, there wouldn't be all the questions and speculation about future job security, customer service, and product quality. I would like to think that Fender knew Kaman/Ovation were fine the way they are, and that's why they bought into them.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2007-11-06 2:19 PM (#76745 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Me too, Steve. I'll stay optimistic until I have a reason not to be.
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PEZ
Posted 2007-11-06 2:52 PM (#76746 - in reply to #76647)
Subject: Re: Kaman sold to Fender



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Originally posted by Steve:
"I wonder what's the real prize that Fender is seeking in the purchase."

That's the heart of the problem. If Fender was specific about why they were doing this, there wouldn't be all the questions and speculation about future job security, customer service, and product quality. I would like to think that Fender knew Kaman/Ovation were fine the way they are, and that's why they bought into them.
Reading the news stories its pretty obvious the wanted the KMC music distribution stuff.
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