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ChuckSurette
Posted 2017-04-13 6:15 PM (#533677)
Subject: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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1977 Balladeer

I picked up my first Ovation - this 1977 Balladeer recently, not sure of the model # as the sticker is gone.  I've discovered a few things about it, in the short time we've been together.

It looks to have had the top swapped - purfling by the waist is off & rosette doesn't look right.  Inside - it's X-braced with what looks like a rosewood bridge pad.  The bridge, as shown - has had the original pickup removed and a new insert installed with a piezo.  Saddle slot is straight across...oops!

I've taken the bridge off (it was loose) and added a humidifier inside before I tackle a top crack.  My plan is to let it acclimate for a bit, then I'll have another look at the neck angle.  I don't like what I see now, so a Bowl Bend may be in this Balladeers future.

Without the model # - can you tell what model it might be by the inlays?

More pictures & carnage to follow.

 

Chuck

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DanSavage
Posted 2017-04-13 7:28 PM (#533681 - in reply to #533677)
Subject: RE: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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Yes, this guitar has been re-topped. That rosette is definitely non-standard. The early Balladeers were X-braced, but the x-braces were quite a bit simpler than what you'd find on a Martin or Taylor, though to my knowledge Ovation never put rosewood bridge plates. The LX braces used maple bridge plates, but not rosewood.

Here's what the latter X-braces looked like. This is from my 1974 1111-4.

This is what the typical Martin X-brace pattern looks like.

From the inlays, and the fact that it's a 1977 and AE, I'd hazard a guess and say it's a 1612 Custom Balladeer.

Here's a page that you use to determine what model it might be. (See: Ovation Decoder)


Dan



Edited by DanSavage 2017-04-13 7:31 PM
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ChuckSurette
Posted 2017-04-13 9:18 PM (#533682 - in reply to #533677)
Subject: Re: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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Thanks Dan - now I'm really scratching my head. The x brace looks like your 1111-4, it has a nice patch over the union of the X, but the tone bars positioned more like a Martin. I think the rear of the bridge pad is curved. I'll post some pics tomorrow.

Thanks for the model info. Does the rosette look at all like a Celebrity? It appears to be a foil stick on, under the finish. No trace of the original large rosette. Color matches the headstock. No locating pins on the bridge. Hole for the piezo is neat.

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ChuckSurette
Posted 2017-04-14 6:08 AM (#533689 - in reply to #533677)
Subject: RE: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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Balladeer X braced

 

Martinized scalloped bracing

Top and rosette

Better shot of 3 ring rosette.  Bridge came of clean. Tiny hole for transducer.

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DanSavage
Posted 2017-04-14 8:34 AM (#533691 - in reply to #533689)
Subject: Re: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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Yep. Those braces look like standard Martin X-brace pattern. It's nice that your bridge came off cleanly.

To glue the bridge down I use Hysol 0151. I used to use Hysol 9462, but I like the 0151 better because it's clear instead of white, like the 9462. It has about the same strength as 9462. It also has a lower Tg temp, which will make it easier to remove in the future, should the need arise.

I wouldn't use any sort of carpenter's glue as it doesn't have the right properties for a high-stress part like the bridge.

Edited by DanSavage 2017-04-14 8:36 AM
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ChuckSurette
Posted 2017-04-14 1:42 PM (#533699 - in reply to #533677)
Subject: Re: X Braced Balladeer Repair



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Thanks, I'll check out the Hysol.
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