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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2017-07-11 5:59 PM (#535754 - in reply to #535745)
Subject: RE: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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arumako - 2017-07-11 7:56 AM

Okay, well this is not totally unrelated...so here's a shot using Google photo (same photos shared previously)...
The DSR1612-T4 and 1117-4...

1612 & 1117

and check out the silking on these.

Silking

Well, Google Photo seems to work...sheesh, Google is gonna own the world pretty soon!



well when I kook at the thread there are no pics,don't know if you need to make them open to public viewing


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arumako
Posted 2017-07-11 8:03 PM (#535755 - in reply to #531533)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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Location: Yokohama, Japan		Thanks for the heads-up 2wheeldrummer! Gonna need to figure this out! I'll give it a shot again later...
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2wheeldrummer
Posted 2017-07-11 8:47 PM (#535756 - in reply to #535755)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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arumako - 2017-07-11 8:03 PM

Thanks for the heads-up 2wheeldrummer! Gonna need to figure this out! I'll give it a shot again later...



Your quite welcome,i've seen the pics from when dan finished the rebuild it's a beautiful guitar and your a lucky man to own a DSRO!!!

I keep pics on my laptop and add them by using the "attach a file after posting" box.

you are limited on size so you have to edit them first but heres one for ya

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arumako
Posted 2017-07-20 6:39 AM (#536817 - in reply to #535756)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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2wheeldrummer - 2017-07-11 10:47 AM

I keep pics on my laptop and add them by using the "attach a file after posting" box.
you are limited on size so you have to edit them first but heres one for ya


Thanks for the hot tip 2wheeldrummer! I'll definitely give that a shot. Meanwhile, I've uploaded a video using my DSRO on UT. I tried to get some good sound; but alas, my archaic equipment was not holding up well to my CPU's limited media capabilities, and my off-key voice is something to behold, LOL...

The video (I hope it's visible?) does not do the guitar justice. It's been really hard putting this 1612 down. She really is amazing in every possible way!



Edited by arumako 2017-07-20 6:46 AM
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BCam
Posted 2017-07-20 9:59 AM (#536818 - in reply to #531533)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...


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Video isn't working.
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arumako
Posted 2017-07-20 10:35 AM (#536820 - in reply to #536818)
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BCam - 2017-07-19 11:59 PM

Video isn't working.

Thanks for the heads-up BCAM... Man, can't seem to get anything working correctly nowadays...guess I can share a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VM3smyPfzs

sorry folks!
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Love O Fair
Posted 2017-07-20 11:29 AM (#536823 - in reply to #531533)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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Location: When??		@arumako - "and my off-key voice is something to behold, LOL..."

And beholding it I am! Nice video! I also liked the rich depth of the 1919's in the upper range on your CC-247.
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DarenSavage
Posted 2017-07-20 6:00 PM (#536826 - in reply to #536820)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...


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arumako - 2017-07-20 10:35 AM
Thanks for the heads-up BCAM... Man, can't seem to get anything working correctly nowadays...guess I can share a link...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VM3smyPfzs

sorry folks!

I have the same problem when I try to use YooToob's embed link. When I copy/paste the link from address bar, it does what it's supposed to.

Nice video. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed hearing the 1612 again, although it's much prettier now.
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arumako
Posted 2017-07-20 6:41 PM (#536827 - in reply to #536823)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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Love O Fair - 2017-07-20 1:29 AM
And beholding it I am! Nice video! I also liked the rich depth of the 1919's in the upper range on your CC-247.


Don't be beholding that thing for too long, Love O Fair! Yikes, but thanks for the nice comment. Yup, the CC-247s top is laminated maple...very hard stuff. The 1919Es give it depth and seems to bring the best resonance out of the guitar. Had to add a bit of reverb though...

DarenSavage - 2017-07-20 8:00 AM
I have the same problem when I try to use YooToob's embed link. When I copy/paste the link from address bar, it does what it's supposed to.

Nice video. Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed hearing the 1612 again, although it's much prettier now.

Thanks for the tip Daren. I'll go the cut/paste link route next time. Much, much prettier. Your brother did an amazing job. She really sings and is well suited for any kind of playing. Really shines with finger-style and arpeggios. Lot's of depth and clear separation of each note, and sustain, sustain, sustain! I am in torrefied paradise!
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DanSavage
Posted 2017-07-21 2:03 PM (#536832 - in reply to #536827)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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Location: Pueblo West, CO		Nice job, Ken. The video was great.

Yeah, once your ears become accustomed to the sound of torrefied wood, it's hard to go back.
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arumako
Posted 2018-09-25 8:02 PM (#545413 - in reply to #536832)
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DanSavage - 2017-07-21 4:03 AM

Yeah, once your ears become accustomed to the sound of torrefied wood, it's hard to go back.


Hello again BFLG! Well, I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to post a 1-year update on my amazing 1612 Custom Balladeer. "My ears are accustomed to the sound of the torrefied wood" or so I thought...after the guitar arrived damaged 2 summers ago (as mentioned in the thread, the airline took full responsibility for the damage and paid for the full price of the guitar), I wanted to get this beauty repaired ASAP, but kinda felt like I rushed the job and never really felt completely at peace about the work I did. She sounded great anyway; so just kept it as is until last week.

After comparing her to my 1678AV-50 and my 97C, felt like there should be more resonance from a torrefied top/bracings; so, last week the neck came off and the reset was, well, reset. The body under the fret board extension was resurfaced, and cleaned-up again. Also exchanged the standard bridge saddle shims for some hand-cut holly shims (had some success with holly on my CS249-4Y nylon; so decided to try it on this).

The small modifications has done an amazing job of really bringing out the full-resonance of this guitar. This is probably what she sounded like when Dan recorded his short demo video here...

https://youtu.be/WAM16vQedgI

So, as I was getting reacquainted with this beautiful instrument, I was inspired to write a short fingerstyle instrumental. You know they say a great instrument inspires writing. Results aside, I am definitely inspired! Just wanted to share the results here, as I think it's a better representation of the acoustic characteristic of this instrument, than anything I've posted before...

https://youtu.be/xYbtgmUwwmE

This beauty has worn 1919E medium gauge strings for the last year with absolutely no problems whatsoever! Earlier in the thread Dan mentioned, "It should provide you with many years of enjoyment." If she sounds this good now, can't even imagine what she'll sound like in 20 or 30 years. A treasure to keep for sure! I can definitely get accustomed to this!



Edited by arumako 2018-09-25 8:04 PM
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-09-26 3:11 PM (#545416 - in reply to #545413)
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Location: Pueblo West, CO		Nice job, Ken.

I like the song you wrote, too.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-09-26 4:34 PM (#545418 - in reply to #531533)
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Location: When??		Ken.. I see that you are not the only performer in your family. Nice floor dance. Is that chew toy up to union pay scale? Oh, and your 1612 is sounding just grand, nicely complemented by your wonderful songwriting skills! High scores all around!!
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arumako
Posted 2018-09-27 2:35 AM (#545420 - in reply to #531533)
Subject: Re: 1982 1612-4 Custom Balladeer...



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Location: Yokohama, Japan		Thanks for the kind comments Dan and Al!

When I originally rushed the reset, a very small gap of about one-third mm existed between the body and the fret board extension right where the fret board meets the body. The extension attached flush to the body down by the sound hole. Was concerned, but my ignorance dictated that it wouldn't be such a resonance damper. The 97C which has a slightly shallower bowl was equally resonant to the poorly reset 1612. Figured it was the difference between a 12-Fretter and 14-Fretter at first. Glad I took the plunge...

As performance summaries go, I think it would be accurate to say the torrefied top and braces really gives a 14 Fretter the depth and resonance of a 12 Fretter and then some. Presently, the 1612 blows the 97C away (and you know the 97C has an amazing voice all its own). I'm still debating whether it has out-paced the 1678AV-50 or not... thinking pragmatically, I'm not sure that's a conclusion that I should be drawing...

...and yeah Al, never realized my dog was such an exhibitionist! Don't know about Union requirements for the chew toy, but the dog and wife ain't complainin' so that's gotta mean something good?

Btw Dan, any projects coming down the pike for ya? You've been pretty quiet after the Harry Chapin rebuild. The publicity must have made that a bit of a pressure project?
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-09-27 10:51 AM (#545421 - in reply to #531533)
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Location: When??		>>> I'm still debating whether it has out-paced the 1678AV-50 or not... thinking pragmatically, I'm not sure that's a conclusion that I should be drawing... .<<<

Yeah.. old cars and new guitars. Sometimes it just happens. There come what feel and seem to be.. let's just say "confusing".. revelation comparisons in life, where the pragmatic brain and dollars spent are ultimately overruled by satisfied senses and the knowing heart.
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-10-06 11:38 AM (#545468 - in reply to #545420)
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arumako - 2018-09-27 12:35 AM

Btw Dan, any projects coming down the pike for ya? You've been pretty quiet after the Harry Chapin rebuild. The publicity must have made that a bit of a pressure project?


Sorry, I meant to answer your question, but got distracted.

I was asked to duplicate an earlier build of mine, the 1978 1617 Legend, seen below.

It was bought by a guy in New York who loves how it sounds so much that he wanted another one.

After he'd had it for a while he asked me how I managed to get the sound of a Martin HD-28 into an Ovation body. (he owns/plays a Martin HD-28, among others)

The major difference between that build and the new one is that for that one I used torrefied Sitka spruce for the top and braces. The new one is using torrefied Adirondack spruce to supercharge the sound.

I didn't start a thread because it would mostly be a duplicate of the older thread as there were no new ground being covered -- just a simple re-top.

The old top is off, body prepared, new top built and ready to be glued down this weekend.




Edited by DanSavage 2018-10-06 11:41 AM
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2018-10-12 3:21 PM (#545484 - in reply to #545468)
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Location: Indiana		Let us know how it turns out. Might be the way to go on my parlor.
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-10-13 10:50 AM (#545490 - in reply to #545484)
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Jonmark Stone - 2018-10-12 1:21 PM

Let us know how it turns out. Might be the way to go on my parlor.


You've got mail.
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Love O Fair
Posted 2018-10-13 10:34 PM (#545495 - in reply to #531533)
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Location: When??		@Dan - >>>I didn't start a thread because it would mostly be a duplicate of the older thread as there were no new ground being covered -- just a simple re-top.<<<

But I hope you post pictures of the final result. We'd love to see that Adirondack finish.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2018-10-14 1:26 AM (#545497 - in reply to #531533)
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I didn't start a thread because it would mostly be a duplicate of the older thread as there were no new ground being covered --
just a simple re-top.

Yeah Dan... But all football games are the same-old same-old, but I still watch them anyway.
It is always entertaining to see your projects.
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DanSavage
Posted 2018-10-14 6:19 PM (#545504 - in reply to #545495)
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Love O Fair - 2018-10-13 8:34 PM

But I hope you post pictures of the final result. We'd love to see that Adirondack finish.


I will.

Old Man Arthur - 2018-10-13 11:26 PM
Yeah Dan... But all football games are the same-old same-old, but I still watch them anyway.
It is always entertaining to see your projects.


Fair enough and thanks for the kind words. While it's a little late to start a thread on the current project, I will definitely start a thread for the next one, which should be pretty cool.
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