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jbblunck |
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Joined: February 2015 Posts: 70 Location: Western Sonoma County | The gadget bug has bitten... Any experience out there with the Digitech RP360XP effects pedal? Any other recommendations for a sub-$200 multi-effects pedal? Thanks. | ||
Gemm |
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Joined: February 2010 Posts: 72 Location: UK | Are we talking acoustic or electric? | ||
jbblunck |
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Joined: February 2015 Posts: 70 Location: Western Sonoma County | Electric. This will be used with a Taylor T5z, a Gibson L6-S, and a homebuilt Les Paul. I'll probably also use it with my 1867 Legend, which I've restrung to Nashville tuning -- some phasing, delay or other effects might be interesting with that setup. | ||
Cavalier |
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Joined: March 2013 Posts: 359 Location: undisclosed | Digitech makes good gear, I've used it since the 80's on violin, guitar., mandos etc... The graphic eq should be able to handle anything. I always thought their phaseing and flange was their weak point but it improved by the 2000s to very good sounds. Any decent unit by any number of manufacturers would work fine as long as it has the eq. a parametric would be a nice feature for feedback resonance. | ||
alpep |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 10583 Location: NJ | multieffects bleh | ||
Mark in Boise |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | I think I agree with Al, but I can't tell. The ones I've tried do lots of cool things, but after I've listened to all those cool things, I leave them set to the 3 or less that I always use and then I spend more time moving the big thing around than I do using it. Fun toys to play with for awhile, but the most useful pedal for me would be a simple looper. | ||
Cavalier |
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Joined: March 2013 Posts: 359 Location: undisclosed | They make sense if you are mixing different instruments or electric and acoustic and just want to use 1 set up. Your preamp settings can be saved for each instrument even if you just use some reverb for a effect. Plus then he can get his overdrive/distortion for the solidbody. Jamming or practicing I often just grab a amp but it is neat to have more options, gigging the tools go. | ||
jbblunck |
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Joined: February 2015 Posts: 70 Location: Western Sonoma County | Precisely, Cavalier. I also have presets for different songs on different guitars. World-ish music that likes all manner of ethereal or otherwise sound. I'm doing leads and background fills, and switch between them in the same song. No keyboardist. Mark in Boise, your comment is well taken in a normal context. I couldn't imagine more than three, either. But, this particular band has material that can benefit from some more unusual, varying treatment. I just bought the RP360XP. Thanks for the input. | ||
Damon67 |
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Joined: December 2006 Posts: 6994 Location: Jet City | I like the Vox tonelab and the ME-80 from Boss (in that order). Both are beyond $200 new, but I've seen them at that price used. Edited by Damon67 2016-01-14 6:15 PM | ||
Mark in Boise |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | I really shouldn't give any advice to anyone who plays in a band or out in public. I buy way too much stuff I can't figure out how to use. Damon, if you tell Linda I admitted that, you're a dead man. I just told her I would use that powered PA I just bought after the wedding. I didn't tell her I didn't know where I would need it or how much I'd use it, just that I would use it. | ||
Cavalier |
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Joined: March 2013 Posts: 359 Location: undisclosed | The Boss me-80 can run off batteries if you need to go off the grid.... I can store that PA for you Mark if the wife becomes suspicious..... I've been having fun with my old tube amps lately, pulling some heavy weights out of mothballs. Love the clean tones on the Ampegs, the V-4 looks like a survivor from the last battle of the bands. For practice or jamming a tube spring reverb has some things going for it- like reliability. My modern stuff always needs more work to keep running. | ||
Mark in Boise |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | The PA is fine where it is and I plan to use it in the wedding, which was a good excuse. I did tell her about Damon's offer to let me use his rig, but then we'd feel obligated to add him to the guest list that's already overfilled and order a bunch more wine. Actually, I already had about 3/4 of what we needed and I found the PA on the local Craigslist. It was a good excuse to use the stuff I have and buy another toy. If I need to hide it after to avoid the "you bought that thing and it just takes up space", I have a lot of space up in the attic and it's not too heavy to carry up there. I might have to if Turbosound ever comes out with its line array systems. I can really see how pedals could become an obsession. There is a fascinating array and every year they come out with something new that does more. | ||
ProfessorBB |
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 5881 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | +1 on the Boss ME80. I use about 36 custom presets (the max I believe) with the second and fourth positions in the banks serving as volume boosts. Essentially, I have 18 presets each with its own volume boost for leads. I supplement this with a few other stand alone pedals in the signal chain for electrics. It is also relatively compact in size compared to its big brothers, so it fits on the pedal board. Generally, I don't like digital multi pedals because they're too complicated for an old guy like me to work on the fly. I can deal with my presets though. | ||
tpa |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 567 Location: Denmark | I got fed up with these big floor units and actually don't dynamically shift a lot between presets so I now use a zoom ms-50g. I might get used to have only one button to stomp and the sound is OK. Edited by tpa 2016-01-15 6:06 PM | ||
Mr. Ovation |
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7224 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | So here's a primer... 1. Choosing effects really depends on your goal. Determine the sound you are looking for, then choose the effect. But that in itself is a catch-22. How do you know what sound you want if you can't hear it? 2. This is THE most important decision. Are you looking for YOUR sound, or to mimic-ish someone elses. For either of the above, if you are still at the decision point, even the crappiest multi-effects device comes into play, and today... even the crappiest ones sound pretty good. Spend some time trying to find the sound you are looking for. Do you want distortion, fuzz, sustain or overdrive? Do you like echo or delay? Reverb or ambiance. Chorus or Vibrato or Tremolo? Full and rich or compressed? A multi-effects unit will get you in the ballpark... Once you have mastered the "knowing" part of what you are looking for, then shopping for stomp boxes or rack units becomes MUCH easier. Now there is a catch... what you want might end up being a high-end muilt-effects unit, or a combination. I found my sound years ago. Unfortunately, thanks to technology, we cannot rely on most any electronics made before 1990 mostly because of the use of electrolytic capisitors. While those parts are still readily available, and used today, they are made differently. The ones in the 80's were NOT designed to last 30 years. Especially if the unit has been sitting on the shelf and not used. Much like a battery, which is kinda what a capacitor is, they need to be charged and discharged to stay alive. And there is a serious wrinkle covered in the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague for any cap made between 1997 and 2007. Simple math... If you can't replace the parts yourself, a benchtech worth their salt will cost roughly $100/hour to do the work for you. In same case, like my old Rockman units, there are people who do some flat rate re-cap jobs. I can do it, but it's actually cheaper to send it do someone who specializes in those units, has the parts and does them all day long. The reason I diverted from the muli-effects topic is this. Now after playing and knowing my sound... I know I want a Rockman Sustainer sound.. which is actually a lot of things in one box. But I want full rich sounding programmable reverbs, delays and choruses only found in high end dedicated devices or high end multi-effects units. What I ended up with was a high-end multi-effects unit that I could plug my sustainer into. I had the sustainer re-cap'd so it will last another 30 years. But that's just me. You might find that you really like the sound of an overdriven amp, with a little reverb. You might find that in a combo amp. You might find you like a really clean sound, with some chorus and echo.. Maybe you can do that with an amp and a couple of stomp boxes, or an amp with a multi-effects in the loop. I could go on and on with the infinate combinations... In fact with my new Helix, I can select different amp and speaker models and even microphones as long as I play though headsets or full range speakers. I already know that I like tube amps with EL84 tubes rather than 6L6 tubes. I actually confirmed this with the modeling as well. So now, if I want to buy a real nice amp... I already know what models I can be looking at if I want to move away from a modeling device to the real deal. Why is this important now? Because there really aren't any music stores left where you can go in and try out 6 different chorus units or a bunch of distortion units etc.. One store carries maybe one or two brands and that's it. There are also Boutique builders out today that are building some of the best effects I have ever heard. Here's a PARTIAL list. http://www.tonetronix.com/c/Guitar-Effects-Pedals-Manufacturer.html of who's making pedals today. So bottom line. I think for someone starting out, a multi-effects unit is a great tool to really learn what all the effects really are and most of the units made today are good enough to help with that. Line 6 is really growing on me these days. In the end, you may end up just getting a dedicated effect unit, but you'll know what you are looking for and have a lot of fun getting there. I'll close this primer with my two personal significant discoveries. 1. This involves Alpep. When I first got into modeling amps, I had a nice Vox. As I went through the options, as expects I kept coming back to two or three models. So I asked our resident tube amp connoisseur Alpep what they had in common. Without batting an eye he said "they all have EL84 output tubes". I had been buying and selling amps for years based how cool they sounded in the store and what options they had... but most would end up getting sold/replaced. As I looked back as you might guess... the ones that stayed around and got used were ones with EL84 power tubes. Now when looking at a tube amp, I might listen to ones with other tubes, but they better be something really really special for me to even think about if they aren't powered with EL84 tubes. 2. This goes back a waaaays. I was trying every distortion pedal I could find in the 70's and 80's. Nothing seemed to give me exactly what I was looking for and in general, just overdriving the amp (when it was one with EL84 tubes) seemed to get closest to what I wanted to hear. I tried adding compresstion, eq, boost, you name it.. I was never happy. It wasn't until the 90's that I realized the "sound" I was looking for was made with "Overdrive" and "Sustain" NOT distortion per se. The first time I plugged in Rockman Headphone amp, I heard the sound I was looking for... so the next thing I got was the unit at the heart of that sound... a Sustainer... It has a distortion circuit, but mostly it's compression and overdrive with eq and speaker simulation (they call it modeling now). I have owned many multi-effiects units over the years... but had I STARTED OUT with one... I think I would saved a TON of money and time in the long run not bothering with units that had absolutely no chance of achieving what I was looking for.
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Cavalier |
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Joined: March 2013 Posts: 359 Location: undisclosed | Umm,my mxr stuff is still working and tis the benchmark new stuff has to measure up to..... Some things have gotten better with age, like JBL speaker magnets aging par example. I wish I still had my Rockman but it is a long story so I know where you are coming from on use and maintenance. Good gear is worth maintaining and investing in. My old dsp128 finds a utility function because it sounds good and refuses to break. I think the modern musician should learn soldering skills and become adept at basic electronics as well as instrument setting up skills. A reminder to newbies is that tube amps store voltages in the capacitors that can be fatal unless you know how to ground and disperse them, something a older generation remembers. These are tools and the craftsmen learn how to sharpen the adze. Edited by Cavalier 2016-01-16 12:20 AM | ||
tpa |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 567 Location: Denmark | tpa - 2016-01-15 6:04 PM To be a little more specific I can summarize: ... I now use a zoom ms-50g. ... and the sound is OK. Dislike: The high gain distortions/OD, Leslie emulator (Rt Closet) Like: Low gain OD, Delays, Reverbs, some amp simulations, the Tuner The operation of the pedal is quite well thought out. the foot-switch can be used in different modes: 1. Turn single effect in chain on/off 2. Switch the whole or part of the effect chain on/off 3. Switch between a number of different chains in a preset sequence 4. Switch between tune/play mode And it has a lof of different weird effects that I don't use. | ||
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