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Location: Yokohama, Japan | COOL! Thanks for the update Mr. Pepiak! Cool! Cool! |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | They're calling it a mid-depth contour, but I understand it to be the same contour bowl size introduced some years ago. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Seems to be a constant source of confusion. Isn't there just one single contour bowl depth? It probably FEELS like a mid-depth but it was MEANT to allow the same response as the full depth bowl and that is probably why it gets called both.
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Location: Texas | When I was a young pup, starting out in law enforcement, there was an ongoing investigation that i jumped in the middle of ... with questions and concerns... and a long timer pulled me over and said...would you let us finish this, so at least one of us knows what we are talking about. At some point, when the guitars are ready to be sold, surely Ovation will release the right config of each guitar. I would be willing to bet, there will be enough to go around.
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Location: Utah | Yeah but Al needs $ to reserve a spot in line. Specs, accurate specs, are necessary. I know he is doing what he can, and the guys at the factory are too. It would be a surprise to me if none of the non-cutaways were deep, but so far that is what is being advertised. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | We should wait to hear from the horses mouth. I though I understood that the original countour bowl had been cut down slightly in depth to a new version called mid contour. But to be honest the lines are very blurred between what is fact, what is fiction, what is desired and what is flat out false. |
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Location: NJ | afaik the contour was always considered a mid depth
i heard about cutting it down also but I am not positive on this information
I put info up as fast as I can get it btw some of the pics I have to swap around to match model numbers just gotta get to it.
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there are typos in the spec sheets so expect them to change this at least gives you a good idea of what is to come. if you have specific questions I will try to get the information but ....it takes time
doing the best I can here
all interested should have got an e mail from me regarding reserving guitars
if you have not please send me an e mail with 50th anniv ovations in the subject to
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I can't afford to reserve one, but I can help just a tiny bit. John just verified for me that Kevin Cronin's model is the first of what will be labelled 2077AV-50. (and possibly the nicest Legend I've ever seen!) And although Kevin's guitar is gorgeous, I personally am seriously torn between the Cat's eye Adamas and the Folklore.
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Location: Orlando, FL | Al - Thanks for keeping us all updated as much as you can.
Under the crazy circumstances you're doing a hell of a job! I'm sure when you know more you'll tell us.
Remember folks, Al want to sell guitars as bad as we want to buy 'em, that's his job! |
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Location: NJ | OK I got some clarification from the factory today
mid contour is the contour bowl which has been cut down and is about one inch smaller than the regular contour bowl.
the other guitars that have the standard bowl will also have a bowl that is cut down slightly
this is the info as I have it today |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Okay, so that qualifies as a mid-depth contour, I guess. Sounds like the traditional deep bowl is a thing of the past, at least in the short term.
Thanks for the update Al. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Thanks Al for the clarification. Not good news but certainly not your fault.
Wonder why they would screw with the one aspect of the guitar that (as far as I know) no serious Ovation player or collector has ever complained about? I doubt it was intentional, probably for some odd reason they physically could not build deep or contours to the old specs anymore.
Before I launch myself head first off the roof of the building maybe could you see if they would offer deep and contours as an up charge ??? |
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Location: moline,illinois | FWIW there was a thread a while back titled "leaked photo" it was of a prototype custom elite with a mid depth contour bowl according to bill x.
I would guess this was the model they used to test there new concept,personally i don't have any problems with the round back,I'm an avowed deep bowl junkie, but it has always been one of those "things" that people complain about that the bowl rolls so DW may have felt a new contour bowl would be desirable,as far as making deep bowls again it sounds like there cutting the bowls down to size so I would bet you could custom order a deep bowl at some point. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | You mean before AL launches you head first off the roof? 
I would have to agree that there had to be SOME reason not to use the equipment that was already spec'd and to change it ~1 inch. To those who liked it, this isn't going to mean any difference at all. To those who didn't appreciate the contour? Same thing - they're still going to pass it by. Had to be another reason but, personally, it's not going to deter me from searching them out and giving them a good listen. I'll leave it to Bill and the rest of the crew to determine what's most financially efficient. And, if they still offer the deep bowl and deep contour? Hell, that's just options, right? |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Having had a good look through the very informative thread on how bowls are made, I suspect they've modified the procedure for some reason that necessitates a more shallow bowl. Maybe Fender threw away/sold a particular piece of equipment that was used to make bowls? If that's the case, a deeper bowl might cost a fair bit more. |
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Location: Texas | Yes, if you can afford a new one, you can certainly afford to customize it with the bowl that put Ovation on the map 50 years ago...
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Location: SoCal | I'm a deep bowl kinda guy. But let's wait and see what the 50th guitars sound like. Might stop thinking about the depth of the bowl. Might find that these new guitars sound pretty damned good..... |
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Location: Lake Forest, CA | TAFKAR - 2015-11-12 7:26 PM
Having had a good look through the very informative thread on how bowls are made, I suspect they've modified the procedure for some reason that necessitates a more shallow bowl. Maybe Fender threw away/sold a particular piece of equipment that was used to make bowls? If that's the case, a deeper bowl might cost a fair bit more.
Nah! It's just a matter of cutting an inch or so off the part of the bowl that meets the top. No biggo-dealo. That's all the did to make a deep bowl into a mid-depth, then into a shallow, then into a super-shallow.
If you look at the profile of the bowl they're all the same profile. The only difference is how much is cut off. |
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| Patch - 2015-11-11 3:45 PM
I can't afford to reserve one, but I can help just a tiny bit. John just verified for me that Kevin Cronin's model is the first of what will be labelled 2077AV-50. (and possibly the nicest Legend I've ever seen!)
That's confusing as it's listed at http://www.lostartvintage.com/Categorys.aspx?categoryid=8&categoryi... as a 1678av50. It certainly is a pretty guitar.
And although Kevin's guitar is gorgeous, I personally am seriously torn between the Cat's eye Adamas and the Folklore.
I was at the factory yesterday picking up my Adamas 1687 (which I might add they did their usual fantastic job of tuning up). John showed me the now completed fd14av50 Folklore. This is a gorgeous guitar with a cedar top and koa binding. I also got to hear it just a little bit and it has a full rich, sweet nuanced sound. I was quite impressed. I have a cedar top Taylor 714ce with similar qualities but the Folklore has a deeper richer sound and it also projects. I've never considered getting a 12 fret guitar but this one is making me think about it. I wish they had one of the black Elites finished. I've thought about getting an Elite for a while now and that one sure is slick looking.
John told me that there will be Five 50th anniversary models and they plan to build 50 of each. They have a lot of work ahead of them since they didn't get back all of the tooling and much of it needs work to be put back in service. That might explain why there's only one choice of bowl at the moment though I didn't ask.
If I go ahead and order one its between the Legend and the Elite at this point, but boy o boy that Folklore...
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Location: Canada | I was at the factory yesterday picking up my Adamas 1687 (which I might add they did their usual fantastic job of tuning up). John showed me the now completed fd14av50 Folklore. What was wrong with the 1687? And yeah a while ago I had started a thread asking about 12-fretters, and it's great that they have two of those in the line up. Though it's a bit strange that the Adamas is supposed to be acoustic only with optional electronics. Wonder how it would compare to the 1680. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I know Jimmer. I asked John at the tour and he indicated it would be a 2077, so when I saw the number at LAV, I emailed John for clarification. He gave me the model number I posted. It looks more like a 2077 than anything else anyway.... |
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| d'ovation - 2015-11-13 5:30 PM
What was wrong with the 1687?
Not much really. I bought it used a few months ago. It's a reissue. I think it hadn't been played for many years and it had a lot of tarnish on the tuners and the frets plus it needed a little bit of setup. When I'd try to slide up the neck my fingers would drag on the frets from excessive friction. They put some new buttons on the tuners, polished and ground the frets a little and set it up nicely. Now it plays and sounds great.
Every time I bring a guitar to them for work it comes back and it's almost like getting a new guitar.
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Location: Canada | Wow I wish I'd live in driving distance. My 12er needs a neck reset and may even have warranty but I just don't want to deal with shipping. |
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