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Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?

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quietmouse
Posted 2015-03-10 9:38 AM (#507501)
Subject: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Just got my son a 2007 Elite T ... One of the last to be made in the USA. In my opinion the T is one of the best sounding guitars that Ovation made. It even challenges my Adamas W597 in some respects (the way it sounds if not the way it feels).

This is Our second USA T. The first one suffered a catastrophic failure (a small crack in the back of the neck
and a split in the top starting below the bridge and extending to the guitar edge). As a result I'm more nervous than I normally would be.

This new T has a slight wave in the spruce top just below the bridge. I can feel it when I run your hand over the surface. Its also visible when I hold it up to the light. The wave seems to follow the lines of the internal bracing. There are no cracks or flaws evident when I look inside the guitar. There is also no evidence of the bridge lifting.

So here is the question ... Do you all have any opinions on whether this is the result of too much or too little moisture in the top? Also, It would be nice to hear if anyone else has noticed this on their Ovations.
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alpep
Posted 2015-03-10 10:06 AM (#507502 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?


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buy a hygrometer

humidify
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2015-03-10 11:52 AM (#507511 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?


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We moved this winter. My guitars were in a basement, now they are in a bonus room above the garage. I have the same humidifier. In the basement, during a cold winter, I would have to add about 3 gallons of water almost every day to keep the humidity at 40%. This winter has been very warm, but when the temperature gets down into the 20s outside, I still have to refill the humidifier every day. If I don't, the hygrometer drops under 30% right away. If you are any place where the furnace runs a lot during the winter, your house is too dry without a humidifier. Get one with a hygrometer and keep the air around your guitars above 40%.
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Waskel
Posted 2015-03-10 2:49 PM (#507516 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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What is this 'furnace' and 'winter' you speak of?


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Mark in Boise
Posted 2015-03-10 3:12 PM (#507517 - in reply to #507516)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?


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Waskel@Work - 2015-03-10 1:49 PM


What is this 'furnace' and 'winter' you speak of?



I was going to tell you not to be a smart ***, but I know that wouldn't do any good. We had our entire winter on November 10. It got down close to zero and snowed about a foot. That was the weekend we moved. It's been warm since and rained an average amount in February, so the house stayed fairly humid. It's clear and about 70 today, but the clear nights have been getting down around freezing. I have to watch the humidifier.
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FlySig
Posted 2015-03-10 3:39 PM (#507522 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Some guitars show the bracing more than others. If your humidity is stable within the range 20% to 50% it should be safe for your guitar.
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Damon67
Posted 2015-03-10 4:50 PM (#507531 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Haven't seen a freezing temp since December. I was in Moscow ID this weekend... jeans and a t-shirt, no jacket.

But I encourage everyone to keep believing Seattle weather sucks. Stay away.
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Damon67
Posted 2015-03-10 4:52 PM (#507532 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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oh, and quietmouse... everything said here is speculation until you do what Al said.... Get a hygrometer. Depending on what that reads, follow part 2 of his advise.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-03-10 9:09 PM (#507549 - in reply to #507531)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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damon67 - 2015-03-10 2:50 PM

But I encourage everyone to keep believing Seattle weather sucks. Stay away.

Yeah... It is rainy and nasty in the Great Northwest.
We have two seasons. Rainy and Cold. And Rainy and muddy.
Nuthin' to see here...
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quietmouse
Posted 2015-03-11 3:24 PM (#507582 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: RE: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Just ordered a hygrometer...
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Waskel
Posted 2015-03-12 3:24 PM (#507615 - in reply to #507517)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Mark in Boise - 2015-03-10 1:12 PM

Waskel@Work - 2015-03-10 1:49 PM


What is this 'furnace' and 'winter' you speak of?



I was going to tell you not to be a smart ***, but I know that wouldn't do any good.

Probably not.

Seriously, we never really had winter here. 1, maybe 2 nights down to freezing, that's it. Believe it or not, we have snow here, 1/4 mile from the beach, at least once a year. Not this year.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2015-03-12 4:34 PM (#507618 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?


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I'll plan on playing golf when I go over to Portland next month. I predict rain.
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Waskel
Posted 2015-03-12 6:09 PM (#507620 - in reply to #507618)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Eh, Portland. It rains all winter in Portland.
We also have a course very close by, Neskowin Marsh Golf Course.
In Summer...


In winter...
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FlySig
Posted 2015-03-13 5:19 PM (#507657 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Is this the kind of wave you're talking about? This is my Patriot, which shows the bracing through the top more than any other O I've got. Both my daughters have T guitars but they aren't at home so I can't look at them to see if they do the same thing. The finish is extremely thin on the T, so it is possible the bracing shows more easily than with other finishes.



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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2015-03-15 8:09 AM (#507732 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: Re: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Same with FlySig here. Some guitars show the bracings more than others. Especially those with dark finishes and A-bracing legends. My room is hygrometer controlled, but on the other side, as long as the wood is stable and doesn't change its "geometry", I don't care about wrinkles too much. I get them too, more and more.
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quietmouse
Posted 2015-03-16 7:10 AM (#507771 - in reply to #507501)
Subject: RE: Elite T - slight ripple below the bridge - Humidity?



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Yes, FlySig ... very similar to what you are showing. I have added a little humidity to the guitar case and I have noticed a positive change in the last day or so. Also, Spring has arrived here in Greensboro, our gas furnace is turning on less often and the humidity levels are climbing. My hygrometer arrives today and I should be able to get a good assessment of humidity levels.
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