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colt357
Posted 2007-12-03 7:26 PM (#72058)
Subject: Trussrod adj.


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Sorry. I know this has been hashed to death, but I don't do well with the search button.

When adjusting the rod which direction does what? When viewed from the bridge side, which way do I move it to gain a dip as apposed to a hump in the neck?

I removed all the shims and am getting some buzz, so I turned it counter clockwise a 1/8 of a turn but it does not seem any better. Did I turn it the right way and need to go more or am I going the wrong way?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-12-03 7:53 PM (#72059 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Right - tighten
Left - loosen

Always do the adjusting in quarter turn increments!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-12-03 8:02 PM (#72060 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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But what happens to the neck when you tighten it, Mike? I think that's the question that I can't remember the answer to. I have to refer to an Ovation manual to figure it out. I need pictures.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-12-03 8:31 PM (#72061 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Mike's got it right. Or as a highly placed and professional person at Ovation once told me:

Righty-Tighty
Lefty-Loosey

They are so sophisticated over there.......
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colt357
Posted 2007-12-03 8:37 PM (#72062 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Sorry guys, I should have been a little more specific in my original post. SWMBO was calling me to the table for supper and I was rushing to get done.

OK, my CB is adjusted by Allen wrench thru the sound hole. I just tried turning it to the right and it got much worse, so have readjusted it to the left and I'm starting to make progress. Will let it set a day or so and give it a little more and it should be good, I hope.

I had checked my manual and it gives the method for guitars with the truss rod cover and it had me confused.

I appreciate the responses. Thanks,

Dave
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-12-03 8:42 PM (#72063 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.



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Okay, Somebody correct me if I'm wrong!

When you tighten, it pulls the neck back against the string tension, lowering the string height...
But only in relation to the fretboard itself.

If you capo the first fret, and finger the twelfth, tightening will reduce the distance between the string and the frets when measured around the fifth and sixth frets. okay? :confused:

Loosening will increase that distance.

And of course, righty-tighty, lefty-loosy!

EDIT- And Colt... I was typing while you were typing, so forget everything I just typed!
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-12-03 8:46 PM (#72064 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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A truss-rod can only correct rattles in the lower fret positions, up to the 6th or mybe 7th frets. If you are getting fret rattle higher than that you need to replace a shim, or take your guitar to a tech for a pro fret-dress.
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Akami
Posted 2007-12-04 2:03 PM (#72065 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Okay, Somebody correct me if I'm wrong!

When you tighten, it pulls the neck back against the string tension, lowering the string height...
But only in relation to the fretboard itself.
This is what I think the OP was trying to find out and he probably already understood the basic workings of the standard operation of nuts and bolts.

This is the same thing that used to confuse me too until I had it explained by a luthier exactly how a truss rod works.

Good luck and I hope you don't have to take it to the shop.
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Akami
Posted 2007-12-04 2:24 PM (#72066 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
A truss-rod can only correct rattles in the lower fret positions, up to the 6th or mybe 7th frets. If you are getting fret rattle higher than that you need to replace a shim, or take your guitar to a tech for a pro fret-dress.
...and now I learn something else I never properly understood!

Another problem that I've run into on at least a couple Adamii in the lower frets is of the nut slots being to shallow, making too strong of a string angle to the first fret and resulting in the need for more pressure than should necessary.

Easily fixed but nonetheless an area often overlooked.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-12-04 3:00 PM (#72067 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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...does this help?

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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-12-04 3:21 PM (#72068 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Thanks, Tim. Did you do that yourself? I never thought of a trussrod moving the peghead up or down, but I guess it makes sense. It's probably more the strings moving it up and the trussrod moving it down.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2007-12-04 3:39 PM (#72069 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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...yup.
Tighten Truss Rod = rod pulls the neck down; Loosen = strings pull the neck up

..kinda like a bow & arrow....
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Akami
Posted 2007-12-04 5:02 PM (#72070 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
...yup.
Tighten Truss Rod = rod pulls the neck down; Loosen = strings pull the neck up

..kinda like a bow & arrow....
I like it, and the diagram too! :)
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colt357
Posted 2007-12-04 8:53 PM (#72071 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.


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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
...does this help?

Yes, Tim, that confirms what I've had happen. I believe from what Paul said, I need to re-install one shim and then adjust from there.

You guys are a great resource! Thanks for the help.

Dave
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Elliot Meldoy
Posted 2007-12-04 9:09 PM (#72072 - in reply to #72058)
Subject: Re: Trussrod adj.
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go here

http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/instrument/Acoustic_guitar/String_a...
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