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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-24 11:43 AM (#501218)
Subject: breadwinner pickguard


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So I want to get a new black pickguard for my breadwinner. I'm not sure how many plies there are but it looks like it is black/white/black. I can't find one the same as mine. Does anyone know how many different styles there were? Early ones had the toroidinal (sp?) single coil pickups with the input jack on the inside back lower curve of the body. Later ones had the smaller pickups with the jack on the pickguard. Mine is right in the middle! I have the single coil pickups and the jack mounted on the pickguard. So my pickguard has 2 large pickup holes, volume, tone, pickup selector, phasing switch and the input jack hole. Where do I find one of those?
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FlySig
Posted 2014-11-24 1:32 PM (#501229 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard



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This place may be able to help you. They may be able to work from a tracing of your current pickguard if they don't have the correct pattern already.

http://www.wdmusic.com/pickguard_br_6500.html
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FlySig
Posted 2014-11-24 1:37 PM (#501233 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard



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The single coils on my Deacon have the same dimensions as the humbuckers in my daughters Preacher Deluxe.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-11-24 4:47 PM (#501248 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard



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Ask Mr Ovation (Miles) he used to have them.
Ask MWoody (Mike) he makes them.
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 5:27 PM (#501253 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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http://pickguardheaven.com/ (Chandler) offers a couple of styles: http://www.pickguards.us/priceovation.html

Maybe you could post a picture of the old pickguard and pickups.

-Steve W.

Edited by numbfingers 2014-11-24 5:39 PM
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 5:37 PM (#501254 - in reply to #501233)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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FlySig
The single coils on my Deacon have the same dimensions as the humbuckers in my daughters Preacher Deluxe.


What single coils and what humbuckers? The early, big toroidal Ovation single coils are roughly (exactly?) the size of a standard Gibson humbucker but with a 3-point mount. The later, smaller Ovation humbuckers are slightly different in size than a Gibson mini-humbucker.

But if it's a Limited Edition Woodified Deacon, you might have any size or shape.

-Steve W.
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FlySig
Posted 2014-11-24 8:16 PM (#501264 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard



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These single coils are exactly the same as in my Viper. The Deacon is a '73, the Viper is about a '75. My daughter's Preacher Deeluxe is a '79. I used calipers to measure the length and width of the pups and they are identical, though the humbuckers sure appear to be wider. I did not measure the depth of any of them.






Edited by FlySig 2014-11-24 8:19 PM
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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-24 8:56 PM (#501265 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: RE: breadwinner pickguard


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Here is a crappy picture showing the pickups and 5 hole layout. I would get a better one but the guitar is at a buddys guitar repair shop.



(breadwinner knob.jpg)



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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 9:05 PM (#501267 - in reply to #501264)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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FlySig
These single coils are exactly the same as in my Viper. The Deacon is a '73, the Viper is about a '75. My daughter's Preacher Deeluxe is a '79. I used calipers to measure the length and width of the pups and they are identical, though the humbuckers sure appear to be wider. I did not measure the depth of any of them.


Yes, all those are essentially the same size, and the UKII rail pickups too. But I think the self-styled Butcher of Bremerton put those Viper single-coils in the Deacon.

The factory single-coils on an early Breadwinner or Deacon were the great big "toroidal" pickups that are closer to the size of a standard Gibson humbucker. Here's a small picture I found on the site:

Here's a link to a larger picture of the toroidal pickups: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Ovation_Deacon_B...

I think these might be the type the OP has, but we need to see/hear more from him.

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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-24 9:10 PM (#501268 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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Yup. Picture is in the post right before yours. Thanks
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 9:10 PM (#501269 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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I see that smmjbarney posted his pic before I finished my post. Those are the early toroidal pickups. Maybe Mr Ovation (Miles) has a PG for you, or one of the suppliers has the correct template.

Looks like you'll need some preamp work too!

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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-24 9:14 PM (#501270 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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Yes I do. I sourced a switch and a set of original knobs. Just a pickguard and I will be all set!
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MWoody
Posted 2014-11-24 9:21 PM (#501271 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard



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Yes, the Butcher used Viper pickups and Shadow Piezo saddles on that Deaconstein.

The websites numbfingers listed are a good bet. Way more accurate than anything I slice up.
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 9:22 PM (#501272 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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Here's an old thread about preamp repair- you can find links to schematics at the bottom:

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=32...
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-11-24 9:25 PM (#501273 - in reply to #501271)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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MWoody
The websites numbfingers listed are a good bet. Way more accurate than anything I slice up.


I was thinking of warning him not to take any wooden pickguards.
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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-24 9:51 PM (#501274 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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My buddy tried to get one thru wd. They sent the one with the smaller pickup holes. We sent it back and he called and explained what we needed. They sent the same one. Guess I will have to do a tracing and send it out. I just wanted to see if anyone had a NOS one laying around(I know, good luck with that). GPC has them also on amazon and the pickup holes look right but the control holes are screwed up. E-mailed them and no reply. I sent an email to the guy that has the breadwinner fan page on the internet. He says he has parts but I have not heard anything back. I think his name is Sam Stathakis. Anybody know who he is?

Edited by smmjbarney 2014-11-24 10:02 PM
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alpep
Posted 2014-11-25 7:43 AM (#501280 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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you know wd stands for

w rong
d imensions
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daveed
Posted 2014-11-25 8:13 AM (#501282 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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I've had very good service from Pickguardian. I was putting a Viper back together and they've stepped up to the plate on a truss rod cover, and pickguard.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-11-25 10:09 AM (#501286 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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I think Sam used to be a regular on this board. He had quite a collection. Mr. Ovation has had NOS pickguards for Ultra GSs for sale on ebay. Contact him directly and see if he has one for your Breadwinner.
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smmjbarney
Posted 2014-11-25 5:44 PM (#501303 - in reply to #501218)
Subject: Re: breadwinner pickguard


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Thanks everybody. I sent Mr Ovation a pm. Just waiting to hear back. I found Sam on facebook and sent him a message also. I will find one eventually!
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