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| Anybody know if they make 'em in satin chrome/ebony buttons for a Legend? |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | The only 'Grotoh' tuners I know of were used by a guy who never washed his hands before he played.
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Location: CT | ...or people who don't check their spelling. :D |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | The Grotoh are grimey, that's for sure. ;)
Actually, I haven't had that good a luck with Gotoh tuners. The best seem to be schallers. I've also had good luck with Planet Waves Auto-Trims. Never swapped tuners on an ovation, only on a celebrity. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Funny how peoples opinions differ on tuners. I would rank them:
1. waverly
2. gotoh vintage open gears
3. everything else in existence
4. schaller dead last by a wide margin
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| Thanks for the info, Jeff W. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Funny how peoples opinions differ on tuners. I would rank them:
1. waverly
2. gotoh vintage open gears
3. everything else in existence
4. schaller dead last by a wide margin
Dave Waverly are undoubtedly the best, but like anything designed to be "the best" their price/performance ratio is pretty poor when compared to other tuners (most of which function just as well) I know of several luthiers who have had consistency issues with the Gotoh vintage open gear machines, though not with the Gotoh sealed units. Personally I'd take the Schaller M6 over just about anything else, especially Grover, Ping and whatever generic crap Taylor and a ton of other manufacturers are using on their cheaper guitars. Schaller were OEM market leaders for decades and not without good reason. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My complaint with Schaller is only two things.
1) the weight. the damn things really are heavy.
2) recent reliability issues. unfortunately a bad experience (even if an isolated one) can ruin a reputation. On my U681 12 string, FOUR of the M6 minis completely stripped out. This was brand new right out of the case upon my first tuning. The guitar could have NEVER been play tested at Ovation, but that's another gripe.
Paul I think some of the cheapo Taylor logo'd tuners are Gotohs. Mahrtins cheapos are also Gotoh, some even have the CFM and Gotoh logos both on them. Yes, waverly price/performance ratio is poor. So what. On a $5k guitar the choice between $50 tuners and $150 tuners is a non issue.
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Location: Scotland | Dave, I aggree, but then most people don't own $5K guitars. Waverley are fast becoming the machine of choice for high-end builders. I also agree that because of both their appearance and their weight, I wouldn't want a set of M6 on a vintage, or vintage repro guitar. Of course my custom buttons reduce the weight of an M6 set considerably (shameless plug) Did I mention that they also fit Gotoh? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | For the most part I enjoy the M6 Schallers.
A set of Waverley's would look nice on the next NOS neck project. Trouble is with most ren-Ovations is you have to follow the pre-used screw pattern. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by MWoody:
A set of Waverley's would look nice on the next NOS neck project. Trouble is with most ren-Ovations is you have to follow the pre-used screw pattern. The post hole size is different also. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Tupperware:
The post hole size is different also. [/QB]
conversion bushings |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yeah, but those only work on solid peg heads. What would you do on a slothead, short of plug it and re-drill? |
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Location: Scotland | Plug and re-drill. Stew-mac will probably get around to doing conversion bushings for slotted pegheads eventually. |
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Location: CT | Originally posted by Tupperware:
2) On my U681 12 string, FOUR of the M6 minis completely stripped out. This was brand new right out of the case upon my first tuning.
Dave Well this didnt happen on my U681-12, but when I was done removing shims, and went to tighten up the strings... one of the posts wasn't drilled all the way through..?!? I don't know how the guy strung it up. So out comes the drill, and as careful as I was, the drill pushed through faster than I wanted and now I have a nice new (small as it is...) nick on the headstock.. :( |
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