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scottypp
Posted 2014-07-03 7:07 AM (#489301)
Subject: Staining a Spruce top - with color?


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Anybody ever used any of the pigment colored stains, like blues, greens, etc on a Spruce Ovation top ??

Any words to the wise on do's and don'ts..??
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Darkbar
Posted 2014-07-03 8:26 AM (#489303 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?



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Old Man Arthur is the expert on painting Ovations, considered the "guru" by many on this forum.
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numbfingers
Posted 2014-07-03 10:55 AM (#489307 - in reply to #489303)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?


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darkbarguitar - 2014-07-03 8:26 AM
Old Man Arthur is the expert on painting Ovations, considered the "guru" by many on this forum.


Scotty-

Bob tries hard to be funny, but this case he's not helping a new member. You might post this over in the BFLG section where the repair/project guys hang out: http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=38

-Steve W.
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DanSavage
Posted 2014-07-03 12:35 PM (#489309 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: RE: Staining a Spruce top - with color?



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scottypp - 2014-07-03 5:07 AM

Anybody ever used any of the pigment colored stains, like blues, greens, etc on a Spruce Ovation top ??

Any words to the wise on do's and don'ts..??


Staining a bare wood top is like staining any other wood.

Staining a top that's already finished is a horse of a different color, so to speak.

The only way to stain a top that's already finished would require spraying on a clear coat that has been tinted with the desired colors. This would require masking and sanding so the clear coat has some grip to keep it from flaking off.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2014-07-03 12:36 PM (#489310 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?


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The BFLG guys have much more knowledge about guitar finishing. Just based on a few of my attempts with other woodwork, I'd caution you that any stain will not soak in if their is the slightest bit of the original finish on the top. You didn't say what type of finish was on the guitar now or how you intended to take it off, or whether you were putting a new spruce top on.
Again based on my limited experience and daily reminders of a couple of doors in our house, you better be sure you'll like the finished product before you start. You can darken stain that's too light, but I don't think you can lighten stain that is too dark. If I had to reduce this to a "word to the wise", the word would be "don't" (I know that's a contraction of 2 words, so I cheated).
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2014-07-03 3:00 PM (#489317 - in reply to #489303)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?



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darkbarguitar - 2014-07-03 6:26 AM

Old Man Arthur is the expert on painting Ovations, considered the "guru" by many on this forum.

Yeah... I made a mistake back in 2010.
I didn't "Stain" a spruce top, I painted a painted top.

Scotty, If you have a natural finished top and you want to make it darker...
The Guru would agree with Mark in Boise... Don't
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-03 3:33 PM (#489319 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?



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What Dan and Mark both said!

When I have made new tops I used Lacquer and went with clear followed by tinted layers ala small air brush.

At www.stewmac.com there is a lot of free how to and how not to information for the beginners and overly confident "I got this" people like me.

Practice on scrap is a common motto.
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MWoody
Posted 2014-07-03 3:37 PM (#489321 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?



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In Arthur's defense he only did one paint job that made him infamous. He does a lot of quality work that we quickly overlook and razz him about.

Personnaly I can't wait to pick up another Elite T or battered guitar so I can refinish it in Blackboard Paint (they make it in several colors) for my Grandkids to customize for me.
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scottypp
Posted 2014-07-03 7:07 PM (#489326 - in reply to #489321)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?


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MWoody - 2014-07-03 4:37 PM


Personnaly I can't wait to pick up another Elite T or battered guitar so I can refinish it in Blackboard Paint (they make it in several colors) for my Grandkids to customize for me.


i did this on a coffee table, actually worked great. I practiced on a pice of scrap of pine 1x12, found out I needed to use a primer.

I then used a water based primer, with a couple of coats. Made a big difference in the way it took the chalk.
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scottypp
Posted 2014-07-03 7:08 PM (#489327 - in reply to #489301)
Subject: Re: Staining a Spruce top - with color?


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thanks for all the replies- I will move on over to the BFLG, see what ideas I can grab !!
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