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anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC

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PEZ
Posted 2013-08-05 12:39 PM (#473841)
Subject: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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I know I have to sign on to one but does anyone know the advantages or disadvantages of each?
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2013-08-08 9:13 PM (#473902 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC


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I was not encouraged to affiliate with a performance rights organization until after I had my first major cut, Paul. Unless you have a song that's being widely disseminated nationally/internationally, I wouldn't make the decision a priority.
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Darkbar
Posted 2013-08-09 5:57 AM (#473909 - in reply to #473841)
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And hold off on that rhinestone suit and mansion in Nashville...
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MWoody
Posted 2013-08-09 1:27 PM (#473923 - in reply to #473841)
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Can you become a member of multiple associations?
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FlySig
Posted 2013-08-09 4:06 PM (#473925 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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I remember Mike (MusicMishka) discussed this topic a few years ago. But I forget which one he thought was better. He had some specific reasons for the one he liked better. Perhaps a search of the archives might dig that one up.
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stephent28
Posted 2013-08-09 5:41 PM (#473927 - in reply to #473841)
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What Jonmark said.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2013-08-09 6:36 PM (#473928 - in reply to #473923)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC


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MWoody - 2013-08-09 1:27 PM

Can you become a member of multiple associations?


Hey Mike-
Publishers can have multiple associations. Writers, no... but you can switch.
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PEZ
Posted 2013-08-12 9:12 AM (#473955 - in reply to #473923)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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MWoody - 2013-08-09 1:27 PM

Can you become a member of multiple associations?


no only one
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PEZ
Posted 2013-08-12 10:30 AM (#473958 - in reply to #473909)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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darkbarguitar - 2013-08-09 5:57 AM

And hold off on that rhinestone suit and mansion in Nashville...


But Little Jimmy says Chicks dig rhinestones.......
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Jukebox Joe
Posted 2013-08-12 7:30 PM (#473966 - in reply to #473841)
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They're just different ways to do the same thing. Neither is better, though some say one is better than the other (on both sides). There are enough famous people on all of them. No clear winner. Just pick any one whenever you're ready to distribute your music.
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dwg preacher
Posted 2013-08-12 8:39 PM (#473967 - in reply to #473902)
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Jonmark Stone - 2013-08-08 8:13 PM I was not encouraged to affiliate with a performance rights organization until after I had my first major cut, Paul. Unless you have a song that's being widely disseminated nationally/internationally, I wouldn't make the decision a priority.

I joined BMI and registered all my songs, mainly because I wanted a documented "born-on" date in case there are ever any copyright issues.  I was encouraged to do this as a simple and FREE way to protect my intellectual property.

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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2013-08-13 11:24 PM (#473992 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC


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When you register a song with BMI/ASCAP/SESAC, you are registering a title/writer/publisher... not a lyric or score. That does little to protect the CONTENT of your song. All that proves is that on such and such date, you submitted a song by that title. Since titles... "hooks" can't be copyrighted, numerous songs can and are copyrighted with the same title line.
Uploading a poor recording of your song to youtube will do more to prove the "born on" date of the WHOLE of your unique song than registering the title with a performance rights organization will.
But, the bottom line is, nothing is as fool proof at protecting the body of your work as actually copyrighting... and performance rights organizations don't claim to be a means of protecting the content of your work.



Edited by Jonmark Stone 2013-08-13 11:29 PM
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Darkbar
Posted 2013-08-14 8:56 AM (#473997 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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I have heard that you can submit 10 songs (for example) under one copyright application, instead of submitting them one at a time and paying more...
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dwg preacher
Posted 2013-08-14 9:38 AM (#473998 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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Great point, Jonmark. I know i did have that in mind once long ago. I have always tried to record even poor demos of my songs and save them with imbedded identifiers.

Bob, I had not heard you could register multiple works under one application, but for many of us who struggle just to keep a roof over our heads, that leaves the copyright process in the realm of those who are funded.

I think the most important thing is to use whatever means are available, to create whatever documentation is available, to establish ownership.

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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2013-08-14 10:14 AM (#473999 - in reply to #473998)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC


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Yes you can register a collection for one fee. Unless it's been changed in recent years, it's copyright form PA.
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fillhixx
Posted 2013-08-18 10:43 PM (#474093 - in reply to #473841)
Subject: Re: anyone have any insite on ASCAP, BMI or SESAC



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I belong to SOCAN, but that's not an option if you're outside Canada.

I'm interested in learning more about Creative Commons license
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_licenses
something touted and used by Jonathan Coulton. Seems an interesting option for those who will
spend their career outside the mainstream methods.
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