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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-11 12:34 PM (#458984)
Subject: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Here is what Brown delivered to me yesterday:

 

 

1980 Ovation PF 22 Prototype...early and Mint!

 

 

Thanks to John! Photo's on Jeromes site soon...

What a guitar: absolutely awesome sound...very cool!

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Patch
Posted 2012-09-11 1:18 PM (#458987 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!



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Wow!

That would have looked nice in the calendar! Maybr next year.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2012-09-11 3:18 PM (#458996 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!



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Congrats, Mike. Quite the find!! What kind of pickups are those? I don't recall ever seeing those on Ovations before.
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noah
Posted 2012-09-11 3:26 PM (#458997 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!



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That looks really nice!

Can't wait to see closeup photos, hear how it sounds and details of how it's wired. 

It's always a great day when Brown delivers... 

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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-11 4:40 PM (#459001 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Here is a quick explanation of the switches and how they work: The two silver switches that are side by side operate the two pickups as you would expect. It sounds like they are switching them from double coil to single coil. The single silver switch only works when the main selector (black) switch is in the middle position engaging both pickups. That switch puts the pickups in and out of phase. The pickups are original and very early...the designer has passed by now but built these entirely by hand...the machining on the coils is great and the guitar sounds great; it can sound like just about any other guitar with the combination of switches and split coils of the pickups...interestingly enough, these are humbucking pickups that can become single coils with a switch...this is an extremely loud guitar; but the volume control makes it tame and can elicit wonderful soulful tones as well as incredible sustain...I believe this will play any kind of music...I really like it...way cool!

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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-11 5:07 PM (#459003 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!


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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-11 5:16 PM (#459004 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!


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jay
Posted 2012-09-11 7:22 PM (#459009 - in reply to #458984)
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Noah...Maybe Patch can include that picture SOMEWHERE in the calendar!
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Tim in Tidewater
Posted 2012-09-12 4:15 AM (#459018 - in reply to #458984)
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Very NICE Mike!!

Sorry I was out of it on the phone last night...been working some long days lately and we had decided to crash early.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2012-09-12 8:20 AM (#459022 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!



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Very nice, Mike. The body looks like ash. I'll bet its heavy. You're outta room, so better move the Martin.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-12 10:30 AM (#459023 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Tim: I wish I could get to bed at a decent time...always... something to keep me up...glad to speak with you though...

Brad: I needed a good laugh...thanks a lot my friend!

As for the body...it may be ash...but it's not very heavy...just nicely balanced...
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Damon67
Posted 2012-09-12 6:53 PM (#459033 - in reply to #458996)
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stonebobbo - 2012-09-11 1:18 PM Congrats, Mike. Quite the find!! What kind of pickups are those? I don't recall ever seeing those on Ovations before.

 

Mr O has one (or had) that has similar split pickups... sorta like a G&L

 

Mike, I don't know how those are humbuckers unless they're stacked. Looks like a single coil split in 2. Maybe that's a phase switch you're playing with? Or something like what the UKII has on each pup?

It's real cool, however it works. Congrats!

 

Noah.... They need to hire some drivers like that out here!



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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-13 5:26 AM (#459046 - in reply to #458984)
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Damon, I have no idea sans any kind of a manual...I know what the original owner told me which I have passed on here...Since he knew the fellow who made the pickups, he probably knows more than most: however, you may be correct...it is a very interesting setup...I saw the pictures Mr. O has in his stable...seems like none are the same...didn't see one like this (I think he has three or four remaining). The guitar plays very nicely: well balanced, great neck, cool sounds and not too heavy...interesting guitar...
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Damon67
Posted 2012-09-13 12:33 PM (#459053 - in reply to #459046)
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Aside from the plastic surrounding the pickup, I thought it was very similar to this one:

 

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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-13 7:02 PM (#459064 - in reply to #459053)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Looks like it Damon...mine is a darker color/stain...finally got a chance to play it yesterday for a while...I really like the feel and balance...very fast playing neck...
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2012-09-14 11:05 AM (#459097 - in reply to #458984)
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Mike... you use the term "original owner" a bit loosely... LOL.. I have a description of that guitar and how it came about. I'm still looking for that cap for you and I can send a copy of the paper with it. The paper is really from THE original owner. I was under the impression only one had those pickups in it... but obviously not. We should check serial numbers to see which one was made first, although the prototypes were kinda made all about the same time.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-14 11:31 AM (#459098 - in reply to #459097)
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Miles, thanks so much...I am happy to stand corrected...no foul intended...what a great guitar and a piece of O history...do you need my address (you have my email)...thanks again...and ASAP I will check the numbers...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-14 11:31 AM (#459099 - in reply to #459097)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!


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DP sorry

Edited by MusicMishka 2012-09-14 11:33 AM
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2012-09-15 12:46 PM (#459156 - in reply to #459098)
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MusicMishka - 2012-09-14 9:31 AM

Miles, thanks so much...I am happy to stand corrected...no foul intended...what a great guitar and a piece of O history...do you need my address (you have my email)...thanks again...and ASAP I will check the numbers...


Send me your mailing address, I don't think you included it in your last email. Also I was just joshing about the "original owner" thing as these were all essentially prototypes... all 22-ish of them, who was the original owner really...LOL... I guess whomever ended up with one was....

I just get a chuckle because deep down I believe these guitars had something special going on, particularly the ones that were routed for standard pickups. I do have one with UKII pickups in it which rocks and is one of my favorites, but from a what-guitar-would-have-really-sold-had-they-actually-gone-into-production, I think it was the PF-22. Maybe Carvin was one step ahead, I'm not sure of the timeline without using the google machine, but the DC Neck-Thru series are still some of their best sellers. The design of the PF-22 in the same way lends itself to different bridges and different pickup arrangements. Plenty of wood to work with, but still light enough to configure it any which way you want. Basically all the GS-1,2,3 options with or without a tremolo bridge. If I had the $'s I'd have someone built me a PF-22 copy with Kahler pro in it, but for now, I'm in the market for an older Carvin with a Kahler in it.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-09-15 5:37 PM (#459164 - in reply to #459156)
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PM sent.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-12-06 11:32 AM (#462798 - in reply to #458984)
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Christmas bump...Found out this is #14...perhaps the last PF 22 prototype built...incredible piece of history...$1100 shipped CONUS
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FlySig
Posted 2012-12-07 4:08 PM (#462820 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!



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So this is available again?
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standing
Posted 2012-12-08 6:06 PM (#462843 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: Re: Brown Again...Incredible!



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Mike, if you want to sell it, you should probably post it in the "For Sale" section...
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davidpetersonharvey
Posted 2013-02-09 12:37 AM (#465093 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Awesome guitar! Congratulations on the score!
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roggli
Posted 2013-08-06 4:56 PM (#473862 - in reply to #458984)
Subject: RE: Brown Again...Incredible!


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Why is it not any "lookable" pictures in "MusicMishka":s thread ?
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