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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 8:09 AM (#434366)
Subject: What should sharky bite next?


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As I ponder which guitars to part with I conversely wonder which Ovation/Adamas guitars I ought to try and source to check out.

I'm still after an 87C and a 1881 (SSB) Adamas. Then possibly a 1681 and 1687. Seems little point trying a UTE as I have a 1680.

Then there's the 1763 for the nylon aspect.

Any other ideas/suggestions for others to check out.

On a side note I play fingerstyle and slowly all my guitars are going from having 12s to 11s to now 10s. I find I can be far more expressive and have more control with lighter strings.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-01-09 10:29 AM (#434367 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Well, you will never get one at bottom feeder prices but a 47RI should be on your short list....or as a suitable backup the '08C.
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Patch
Posted 2009-01-09 10:32 AM (#434368 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Dweez,

Have you considered trying a 12-string? Both of mine will stop you in your tracks when you here them. And here's the kicker, Ovation 12's can be set with such low action that fingerstyle is not at all difficult. Both of mine play as easy as my six-strings. I've got my CL 12 tuned to open-D while I'm arranging a couple of Irish tunes. It sounds gorgeous.

A Custom Legend or an Adamas (or in your case, one of each :rolleyes: ) will instantly add an entirely new tonal palate for you to experiment with.
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G8r
Posted 2009-01-09 10:32 AM (#434369 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Stephen, I think dweezil's maxed out on his black guitar quota with the 1680. Given his disdain for previous -5's, including Mike's 87C, I was surprised he even went for the 1680.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-01-09 10:42 AM (#434370 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Color should never distract from sound and/or playability but I completely understand. If you like the way it looks, your more inclined to keep it out and play it.

While not a particular fan of the shiny black woodtops I do like the black textured tops.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-01-09 10:48 AM (#434371 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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I'd second the 1763 and go for a 30th CL, or one of the originals if you could find one.
I don't think anyone bid on the last K1111 Balladeer RI that WarpDriveMusic had on ebay $715 takes them and mine is a great fingerstyle guitar. No preamp, though.
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G8r
Posted 2009-01-09 10:50 AM (#434372 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Originally posted by stephent28:
...I completely understand. If you like the way it looks, your more inclined to keep it out and play it.

While not a particular fan of the shiny black woodtops I do like the black textured tops.
I agree completely. I had a 1869-5, and while it was a beautiful guitar (and looked stunning hanging on the wall) it was a royal bitch-kitty to keep clean. The least bit of dust or fingerprints showed glaringly. I much prefer the 08C in that regard (as well as for other reasons ;) ).
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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 10:55 AM (#434373 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Patch,

whilst a 12 string has never been off the radar, it was not the most sensible thing for me to be looking at in terms where my playing and interest was going. I've been focusing more and more on modern solo fingerstyle stuff, that's not to say that a 12 string doesn't fit into this but didn't seem to be the most next logical step. But as you say it would open up a different tonal palette etc so yes I reckon an Adamas 12 is on the list. Damn!

g8r - well spotted!!!!! The 1680 is not exactly black ;) At least I don't think so ;) It's kinda of grey ;) I don't see the 08C as black, more as kind of very, very dark grey and as it has electrics whereas the 47 doesn't. However there is the large issue of price (at least at the moment). Perhaps in a few years I'll be able to pick one up at sensible prices (whatever that means).

Thanks.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-01-09 10:55 AM (#434374 - in reply to #434366)
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-01-09 11:03 AM (#434375 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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You have no Elite T\'s in your signature! :eek:
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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 11:05 AM (#434376 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Did you also notice that there is only one round hole in my collection (erm apart from the Taylor( what was I thinking??!??)), I plan to keep it that way :)

I agree about the colour, it shouldn't make a difference but it does. Given the choice I would opt for a non black (for example 1537-4) but where it's only in black I would consider it. I don't consider black textured tops to be black :)

Arthur, if that had epaulets (or gills) I would buy it!
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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 11:10 AM (#434377 - in reply to #434366)
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Yeah I like the look of the stealth Elite T and the 'Sweetwater' one but having had two 6778LXs I figured whats the point.

My perspective has changed dramatically since I've had the 07C and and 1680. They are my favs (at least currently).
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-01-09 12:02 PM (#434378 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Say, Dweez, it looks like you've got all the bases pretty well covered, so any new additions probably ought to serve more to satisfy your ownership passion than your playing requirements. How are you stacked up on amps and effects? Collecting those can be almost as much fun, but shipping charges on the amps can be a killer.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-01-09 12:12 PM (#434379 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Dweezil, don't try to bring logic into this. It might interfere with passion. You and I diverge on the issue concerning soundhole placement. I was never crazy about epaulets and tend to like the sound of a centerhole Ovation better than the multiholes, although the difference is minor to me and probably more related to bowl depth.
The only multihole I can think of that you "need" is the 87C. Since you're into playing plugged in, then you can start gobbling up amps, like the Prof suggests.
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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 12:12 PM (#434380 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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I'm really trying to look at my collection as tools I need to create music. If it doesn't get played because I have something that fits the bill better then out it goes.

I never thought I'd ever say this but the 84C and 93C are likely to be leaving the herd. Whilst bloody nice they just don't compare to the others. I prefer the 5868 Walnut to the 84C and the 03C/07C blows the 93C away! They're the direct comparisons then I have the 1537 and 1680 in reserve!

As for amps/fx, I am really happy with the Zoom A2.1U and AAD Cub. I like the idea of small, light and portable, perhaps another Cub so I can run in stereo, now that would be COOL!

As for the holes I'm sorry but I heard Adrian Legg play Pass the Valium at a very impressionable age and so the epaulet look is deeply engrained in my guitar playing psyche.
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wilblee
Posted 2009-01-09 1:15 PM (#434381 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Dweezil, this is just a tad outside the box (and more than bordering on heresy on this board), but given your finger-style proclivities and your inclination against center holes, I feel compelled to suggest the Martin CF-1. It's unlike anything else in your arsenal and, as far as I am concerned, when strung with Thomastik-Infeld flatwound 11's, it is finger-style heroin.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-01-09 1:29 PM (#434382 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I was never crazy about epaulets and tend to like the sound of a centerhole Ovation better than the multiholes, although the difference is minor to me and probably more related to bowl depth.
I, too, grew up on sound holes, but with all the equipment involved in gigs these days, the sound hole models ust seem more prone to producing more feedback than the epaulet models. It doesn't prohibit me from using them, but I am way more cautious about feedback and have to back off the monitor settings. Even then, I am constantly aware of how close feedback is, particularly the "A" note for some reason, and stand ready to mute the string with my palm mid-song as necessary to keep it in check. Recording session may not present the same issues as live gigging.
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dweezil
Posted 2009-01-09 1:30 PM (#434383 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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But geared for jazz guitarists right? That's not me!
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wilblee
Posted 2009-01-09 6:25 PM (#434384 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Me neither. I play all kinds of stuff on mine - none of it jazz. In my solo gigs I use it on my Beatles stuff, Landslide, Can I Stay by Ray Lamontagne, etc. I even use it on some of the more aggressive strumming stuff, though I'm more likely to use the 07C or my Larrivee LV-09E for that sort of thing.

It may have been conceived for jazz guitarists, but it's just a damn fine guitar period. Take your Cub someplace that has one and try it out. If you're at all like me (and God help you if you are) you'll be mainlining in no time.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-01-09 6:39 PM (#434385 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Come on.....if your gonna leave the Ovation/Adamas realm just jump into the deep water and get a Collings. Certain models are a finger pickers dream.

They also make the best burst on the planet.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-01-09 7:00 PM (#434386 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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You ought to track down a JL3 (John Lennon Legend Limited).
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stephent28
Posted 2009-01-09 7:02 PM (#434387 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
You ought to track down a JL3 (John Lennon Legend Limited).
Those are nice. Kinda wish I had never sold mine.
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wilblee
Posted 2009-01-09 7:03 PM (#434388 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?


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Not gonna argue with that at all. My point, well at least one of my points, is that the CF-1 will be different from anything else in his lineup and will give him something very different to make music with. To me the difference between an Adamas and a Collings is the difference between a Porsche and a Lamborghini, while the difference between an Adamas and the CF-1 is the difference between a Porsche and a Rolls. The difference (again, to me) is between refining your arsenal and expanding it.

Of course, I would loooove to own a Collings (and will some day, Lord willing).
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stephent28
Posted 2009-01-09 7:06 PM (#434389 - in reply to #434366)
Subject: Re: What should sharky bite next?



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Mark is gonna be pissed that you used a Porsche as the low end of the ladder! ;)
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wilblee
Posted 2009-01-09 7:45 PM (#434390 - in reply to #434366)
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Who said the Porsche was the low end? (it was, but I didn't say that.)
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