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Location: Chicago | We've all been there: A musician who claims to KNOW Ovations, the legacy, and "O" sound (maybe even owned or played one) and NOW is critical or rejected the whole notion.
We here sincerely love the sound and are baffled. We CHOOSE to play, gig and record with our Ovations and Adamases.....
So, what IS the problem? What are the specific accusations? You honor?
1) My local luthier just snarls about "plastic": does not want to be more specific.... |
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Location: GA USA | That is a very common mistake people make. By "that" I mean leaving the "r" off of the word "your".
The plastic thing too.
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | And let's not be confused with "you're" either, as in "you are".
Let the naysayers say nay. Get on with your (note spelling) life!
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | And I say again...
There is just an indescribable satisfaction about owning a guitar that everybody Hates!  |
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Location: Chicago | Indeed. There's also "yore" as in "days of ..."
OK but WHY is this even possible in jest: "A guitar that everybody HATES" ??
I'm still waiting for the testimony YOUR Honor! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Cuz I just love the folks that say, "Why'd you buy that Plastic guitar?"
Then later say, "Y'know? You can leave that Ovation at my house for awhile..." |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Not everyone hates them. Not everyone likes Zappa. That I don't get. Some don't like vanilla ice cream, some do.
Let them have their opinion however misaligned it might be with you. The other option of course is invade! |
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Location: Vernon CT | Hey, the way I see it, let them hate!! It only means more great guitars out there for the ones who know better at rediculously low prices. And like OMA said, they ALWAYS comment on how great the sound when one of us play one!
There's a 1767 about 6 mile from where I live on C.L. I'm "working" on. Price is a bit high for todays economy ,but, I'm talking to her, waiting for info back and will probably stop over and check it out. |
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| Reminds me of a story...(anyone offended by mildly crude language please stop reading):
An Army Ranger, an Air Force Delta, a Navy SEAL, and a regular Marine were on a training mission. Sitting by the campfire at night the Ranger, Delta and SEAL each told a story in turn about their adventures, each one trying to one-up the previous story with outrageous accounts of their abilities. When it came time for the Marine he said nothing; he just smiled and kept stirring the coals with his, shall we say, "male member."
The moral: when you got IT, you don't have to brag. I thoroughly enjoy shutting up the nay-sayers and critics when they hear one of my "plastic" guitars. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | Everyone is entitled to their opinions and they are allowed to be wrong too.
Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and some are bigger than others.
The question is: How big is yours? :D |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I could give an aeronautical intercourse why someone might hate the guitar I play. In the world of personal opinions there is no logic and no right answer, just good fodder for internet chat forums. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | is that anything like an an airborne coitus? |
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Location: GA USA | Here's my situation at church: I rotate in the band with two college guys. One always plays a beautiful Les Paul, the other switches between his SG and an inexpensive Tak 12 string. Last Sunday was the "triumphal entry" for the 1868.
We also have two older guys that play guitars. One plays a Taylor "Johnny Cash" style and the other plays country type music on one of his very nice Martins.
After the service, the SG guy and the Taylor guy were all over me about how great the Elite sounded. My son, who has a Taylor, says it's his favorite I've had, and loves to play it.
The moral here is similar to Serge's. The quality of the sound that guitar puts out can't be ignored. I honestly can't wait until SSJ3 so you guys can see it. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I should also add that Ovation is an "easy target" for people to bash because it IS different. It's more difficult for, lets say a Taylor fan to bash a Martin. They have basically the same materials, same construction. But Ovation has a big "KICK ME" sign hanging on it because of the obvious physical differences. But in the end, like I said, who really cares. |
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Location: Chicago | I'm looking at it more "clinically":
No one buys and plays a brand to do someone a favor. So...
Rejection of Ovation must be have to do with one of these:
1) Looks
2) Sound
3) "Feel"
4) Trend
which seems to dominate? |
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| Dobro, I've been observing a post on "the other guitar forum" with regard to Ovation guitars. One poster even went so far as to call them "fake guitars", which must be news to Glen Campbell and Al DiMeola, etc.!
What I don't get is the adoration of Composite Acoustics and Rainsongs while bashing Ovations. I'm not saying that those are bad guitars, but maybe Ovations get bashed because they are part wood?
Anyway, sometimes I think that the "wood box" only people need to be taken out to the woodshed! Just kidding.
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| Of course, there are also "wood boxers" that bash laminate guitars too, which is why I can empathize with Ovation owners having to defend their choice of guitar.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Rainsongs and CA are 'square-ish'...
So they have the same annoying corners as wood-boxes, so I guess they're still cool. |
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Location: PDX | I'm with Dave -- who cares?
It's such a hashed and rehashed topic, it's just not worth the breath.
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Location: Michigan | My bro in law stopped by the other night and was strumming around with my legend. He has a Yari. He was amazed at the tone and the bass, not to mention the action. I think most people who don't like them either have not played them or have picked up a used one in a store that has not had the strings replaced in 10 years. I am always amazed when I see a vintage O at a store with vintage strings on it. Frankly I don't know how they expect to sell a guitar with old strings on it, not to mention they always seem to be out of tune.
Oh, yea. As dave and gh said "who cares?" |
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Location: alabama | I can say from personal experience that I was an O basher years ago...until I bought three. I now play my Elite while my Taylor sits in the case.
I think most people bash them for the same reason I did. First, ignorance - they know nothing about them; and second, most people don't get to play high end O's - which kinda leads to the ignorant assumption that O's are junk guitars. The chains are usually loaded with high end Taylor's and Martin's with only one or two very low end celebs on the wall.
Just my opinion of course... |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | From "Desiderata"...
"Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story." |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | It's hard to hate something you know.
So those who hate, don't know.
You just can't fight willful ignorance.
Actually, the only place I've heard about O slagging in years is....here! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | This has been discussed to death, but I'm not saying that as a bad thing, just an observation.
"So, what IS the problem? What are the specific accusations? "
It's MANY factors at the same time. If someone is initially turned off by the idea of "not wood" or the "idea" of a round back, they certainly aren't going to be turned on much when they hear one that's been either plugged in or recorded by someone that has no idea what they are doing. Top that with them likely not ever seeing a high-end Ovation, let alone play one.
Ok.. fine.. They heard, they saw, they played... but they've been hearing, seeing and playing "wood" guitars all their life. The "Ovation sound," sounds wrong to them. Good action to them means the strings and fretboard are in separate zip codes.
So once you get past all of the above, you get down to the few open-minded people that think quality sound means consistent tone up and down the fretboard and consistent volume up and down the fretboard. These few people want to hear the "notes" untainted by the sound of a wood box. These people like low action, big volume, and buying an instrument that while they will take care of, they don't have to baby it.
There are a lot of people that listen to old blues and earlier Jazz and Classical recordings of Acoustic guitar, and to them THAT is what a guitar is supposed to sound like.
Another way to look at it.. I think about guitar sound as either "Clean" or "Distorted". I don't think in "Acoustic" or "Electric" even though I have misused those terms and mislead people in what I was thinking.
A well setup electric through an amp, should sound much like an Adamas thats unplugged IMHO, NOT a wood box. |
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The "Critics" say THIS about Ovation:
