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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Typically the people that don't like Zappa haven't actually listened to any of his music.
Idiots. |
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Location: Vernon CT | I guess I'm and Idiot! ;)
There's just some many others out there I do enjoy listening too!
(No harm dweezil)
Hey, 1313 posts. Do I get an award??? ;) |
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Hey, 1313 posts. Do I get an award??? ;) If they are you in the queue behind me cos I have more ;) |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by dweezil:
Hey, 1313 posts. Do I get an award??? ;) If they are you in the queue behind me cos I have more ;) |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | And the 1313 is significant because? |
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Location: NW Washington State | The critics say...
He gave his children really stupid names. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | His friends, and his children, agree with his critics on that one. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | His fans and people who are objective say he was a brilliant composer, guitarist, and performer.
If you don't like his "style", try listening to another album. Frank was a master of almost every style, from 50's do-wop, to classical, to jazz, to rock. He even did some "country" on a few cuts.
Back in the 60's and 70's, it seemed that all of the really great musicians played with either Frank or John Mayall at some point. It was almost like going to school.
One of the things that is interesting about Frank is, he really didn't care if people liked him or his music. When he was dying of prostate cancer, he was asked in an interview, what he'd like to be remembered for. He said he didn't care about being remembered. He was here, he did what he wanted to do, and when he was gone, he was gone. I and many others will ALWAYS remember him for his talent, his humor, his massive intellect, and most of all, his respect for music. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by dweezil:
And the 1313 is significant because? The #13 is synonomous with "Bad Luck" or evil
1313 Mockingbird lane ;) Friday the 13th........
I believe building taller the 12 floor DON"T have a 13th floor or atleast don't refer to it as that. NO, I'm not really supersticious. Just having a little fun! :D
You Bloody Englishmen! :rolleyes: ;) :D |
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Location: Chicago | I've been onto Zappa since "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" was big on college radio. For my money, he needs no apology as one of the gods of modern music.
However: I can share this about what I've observed on the part of informed listeners who don't much like FZ:
1) A great deal of what he has done has a satirical spin. You won't like FZ if you don't "get it" or are allergic to his incessant and subversive mischief.
2) His output is so diverse, it baffles most listeners (like Alison sez). When Roth left Van Halen, I stopped listening. Well the "Zappa Sound" underwent a sea-change in sound with every few years.
(I'll confess to liking his more "serious" stuff like SHUT UP AND PLAY YER GUITAR and the follow-up album. I get tired of the zaniness after a while.)
3)Much of his stuff is complex, jazzy, proggy etc. A mind-bending melange of influences and instrumentation. There is simply a sh*tload of music with every bite (hmmm that doesn't sound so good... oh, well). I still remember learning "Peaches in Regalia" with a jazz orchestra--people were going nuts.
4)FZ's very "spirit" was very masculine, aggressive, playful and confrontational. You have to be a fan to buy an LP emblazoned with "WEASELS RIPPED MY FLESH!" I had no problem with it, hell I loved R Crumb, owned every number of Zap Comix! and was no stranger to things with names like windowpane and microdot.
In a few words: sardonic, highbrow and lowbrow, irreverent, complex, sometimes prohibitive (even threatening) pathologically ecclectic.
A friend of mine observed once about Tull and Zappa: "Chicks just DON'T get it and don't like em, don't like 'em ALOT."
Alison is an enlightened exception:)
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | "I'll go to Frisco buy a wig and sleep on Elsie's floor.
I'll stay a week and get the crabs and take a bus back home.
I'm really just a phony but forgive me cuz I'm stoned."
Yeah, Frank had some weird subject matter. But when all the other music is just about Love and Sex, you gotta search to find something to write about... I will admit that I can only listen to Frank in small doses, but how often can you really listen to Comedy Music?
But if you listen to the composition of the music behind the lyrics... This ain't three-chord rock.
"What's the ugliest part of your body... Da Da Wooo" |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | "Some say it's your nose, some say it's your toes, but I think it's your mind." |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | "Music is the best"
I think that pretty much sums it up. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Let's get the whole quote in here:
"Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best." |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | "Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" Words to live by. |
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Location: Wichita, KS | "Is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?" |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Actually, I can't say I love him either. In terms of lead guitar work and orchestration he was great, but he didn't warm my heart.
Like Jerry Garcia, great lead work, but did he warm me up, say like Santana, no.
I recognize he's great, but not for me. Some people like Picasso, others don't ... Frankly doesn't upset me in the least. |
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Location: Indiana | Guess I'm an idiot too... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I never cared for zappa. Doesn't mean I didn't think he was talented. I just never "got it".
Too bad he's dead, but I can't say I miss him or his music. |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | The "Critics" say THIS about Zappa... What "Critics"? Read or hear something lately, Dweezil?
I've always heard words like: "innovative", "ahead of his time","professional artist",in terms of his music, and "Champion for musician's rights" in terms of lyrics.
I remember watching a news report of him speaking at some committee for censorship of lyrics, and was amazed at how well spoken he was. |
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Location: los angeles | I saw Zappa with the band with JeanLuc Ponty, George Duke, etc. and guest appearances by Ray Collins and one other original Mother (of Invention) who I can't remember at this point. I think Sal Marquez (Big Swifty) was there for this one as well. Collins did that phlegmy-sex vocal thing from "Brown Shoes". One thing Zappa was, in addition to all said IMO, was an incredible lead guitarist. His hands were HUGE. One of the best shows I ever saw.
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Location: South of most, North of few | My python boots are too tight...
I couldn't get em off last night...
a week went by, and now it's July..
I finally got em off and my girlfriend cried,
YOU GOT STINKFOOT!!
Classic! |
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Location: South of most, North of few | and another...
Down at Joe's garage...we didn't have no dope or LSD, but a couple a quarts of beer...would fix it so the intonation would not offend your ear....it was all we knew, and easy too, so you couldn't get it wrong...even if you played it on the saxophone.
naw, I'm not a fan... ;) |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | From the profound:
"You can be scared when it gets too real
But you should be digging it while it's happening
Because this just might be a one shot deal."
To the profane:
"It's *#@*ing great to be alive!"
To the downright silly:
"How much was the leakage from the drain in the night?"
Frank's music has been a big part of my life since the first time I heard him in 1968. |
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Location: los angeles | I'd say the odds would be 50-50 |
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The "Critics" say THIS about Zappa...
