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Darkbar
Posted 2009-03-31 2:33 PM (#420858)
Subject: Pinless Bridge



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Does anyone know why more guitar manufacturers don't use a pinless bridge like Ovation does. Is it aesthetics, authenticity, what? They just make so much more sense? Other than Ovation, who uses one?
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G8r
Posted 2009-03-31 2:43 PM (#420859 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Tradition would be my guess - maybe originally to distinguish steel string from nylon string. Takamine is using them on some steel string models now.
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gh1
Posted 2009-03-31 3:10 PM (#420860 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Lowden uses them too.



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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-03-31 3:32 PM (#420861 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge
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There are some technical reasons who some makers don't use pinless bridges. Granted, this may be in the "stove knitter" category, but technically speaking with a pin bridge the brake angle, and hence the string pressure on the saddle, is greater which "should" lead to better energy transfer to the guitars top and "may" lead to a better sounding guitar.

Most of the best sounding guitars I've ever heard have had pin bridges, but that could be coincidence. Textured topped adamas would be the exception.

The choice of bridge pin - FI, Walrus, Whale Penis, etc. also greatly influences the sound. The problem on a pinless bridge is that you don't have the luxury of going out and spending north of a hundie on fancy pins.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2009-03-31 5:14 PM (#420862 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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With a pinless bridge a good set of "String Tubes" always helps maintain that Ovation sound.
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 5:16 PM (#420863 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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What are "string tubes"?
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gh1
Posted 2009-03-31 5:40 PM (#420864 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Toby will send you a set after you reach 100 posts. Until then you'll just have to wait. I'm sworn to secrecy!

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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-03-31 5:43 PM (#420865 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge
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Do a search on "string tubes" and you will find much information.
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 5:44 PM (#420866 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Now this is getting interesting!!!! :p
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Waskel
Posted 2009-03-31 6:13 PM (#420867 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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Greg, you don't happen to use a Mac, do you?
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-03-31 6:19 PM (#420868 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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Originally posted by enders UKII:
Now this is getting interesting!!!! :p
why yeessss... it is indeed getting very, as you say... interesting.
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gh1
Posted 2009-03-31 6:35 PM (#420869 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Greg, you don't happen to use a Mac, do you?
Are you kidding!?
I've used DOS since back when you had to put 5 1/2 inch floppy disks to run the operating system. I ain't about to change now.
Heck, i still use the command prompt for most of my file operations.

Why that darn picture is so big is a mystery to me. It's linked to my ning page.

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Waskel
Posted 2009-03-31 6:49 PM (#420870 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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At least you got why I was asking. :D


I think I still have a couple 8" disks laying around somewhere.
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 6:51 PM (#420871 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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OK, I did a search for "string tubes" and found something about "string tubes" in violin cases, something about puppets, etc.., etc., etc., nothing on guitars, no pix, no definitions. :confused: So maybe I just have to wait until my 100th post. :eek: Or maybe I'll carry with me something more to be ignorant about. :) Bob
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G8r
Posted 2009-03-31 7:02 PM (#420872 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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The birth of String Tubes . Maybe I should put this in the FAQ?

When folks here say "do a search" they generally mean that you should use this site\'s specific search features (search link at the top), and not a general Internet search.
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-03-31 7:09 PM (#420873 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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Good ol' g8r... out there in the proverbial cyberspace intersection with his white gloves & whistle directing traffic.
U-DA-MAN!!!
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 7:18 PM (#420874 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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I see that back in '05, members asked if this was an April Fool's joke. Since it is March 31, and probably April 1 somewhere, same question????????????
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G8r
Posted 2009-03-31 7:23 PM (#420875 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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"Who\'s laughing now?"
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 7:34 PM (#420876 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Did I pass the audition? :o
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-03-31 7:41 PM (#420877 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Welcome enders. I was fairly new when this string tube concept came up and I'm sure I bought into it for awhile. Then I met that StandingOvation guy and lost my ability to trust. I was convinced String Tubes were the OFC equivalent of a snipe hunt until the "Who's laughing now" thread came up.
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enders UKII
Posted 2009-03-31 7:48 PM (#420878 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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Thank you Mark! I was trying to figure out if this was some kind of hazing when I received gh1's first reply - but some of the replies came with a "straight face" at first, so I googled away. During that time, I could have put on a new set of strings using the video that OMA linked. :mad:
Bob
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-31 8:18 PM (#420879 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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George Lowden believes that pinless bridges put more pressure on the front edge of the bridge due to the way the strings pull on the bridge. It is the front edge of the bridge that does 95% of the work in producing sound
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Waskel
Posted 2009-03-31 8:21 PM (#420880 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge



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Enders, you don't have a brother named Peter, do you?
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-03-31 8:24 PM (#420881 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge
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I'll have a gross of 'em available after midnight tonight. You must call within 20 minutes after Cinderella leaves the ball, we don't have all day, or night, ya know...

Thanx,

'Sham Vince'
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tpa
Posted 2009-03-31 8:26 PM (#420882 - in reply to #420858)
Subject: Re: Pinless Bridge


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I would expect that having the strings attached firmly to the stucture "below deck" would reduce the risk of having the bridge being torn off.
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