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Location: GA USA | Assuming, as I've read, that a 2 chord is the same as an add9 chord, made me wonder why we have chords with numbers above 7, since there are only 7 unique tones in a major scale.
My guess is that it's because you want to add the 2 note at the top of the chord, rather than the bottom. If this is the reason, then add9, add11 etc. make perfect sense, meaning to add the note above where 8 would be.
In a G2 for example, a lower G and A played together would sound bad, and replacing the G with an A would give you a G/A instead.
Please correct any wrong understanding I have. I don't claim to know much theory, though I enjoy learning a little at a time. |
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Location: SoCal | A G/A is a G chord with an A in the bass note (open bass A string -- don't play the bass G note of the chord). It's different than a G2 which is a G chord in which you're catching the 2nd note of the chord within the chord (in the first position, it's the A note played on the G string at the 2nd fret), which is different from the Gadd9 which is a closed G chord with the A note fretted on the high E string at the 5th fret.
All sound different and all have their purpose and place.
At least that's my understanding...... |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | That's what I was thinking as well... if it's >8 then the note is added at the top of the chord. |
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Location: London, UK | As I was taught, A 9th chord includes by default the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th notes - in other words the larger numbers are additive. A '2' chord adds the 2nd note in along with with the 1,3,5 but does NOT imply the presence of the 7th.
This is independent of whether you are playing the 9th note 'higher' than all the others or not. It just implies a fuller chord, rather than a single additional note. |
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
a G2 which is a G chord in which you're catching the 2nd note of the chord within the chord (in the first position, it's the A note played on the G string at the 2nd fret) But there's no A in a G chord. So if you play one, it's an "add" right? At any rate I played it yesterday just like you said.
Also, I notice that chordbook.com doesn't list a 2 chord, but they have add9, which shows it the same as you described a G2.
Thanks for the input. I feel like I have a better grasp on it now than I did a few days ago, which is progress. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
a G2 which is a G chord in which you're catching the 2nd note of the chord within the chord (in the first position, it's the A note played on the G string at the 2nd fret) But there's no A in a G chord. So if you play one, it's an "add" right? At any rate I played it yesterday just like you said.
Also, I notice that chordbook.com doesn't list a 2 chord, but they have add9, which shows it the same as you described a G2.
Thanks for the input. I feel like I have a better grasp on it now than I did a few days ago, which is progress.
Suppose you wanted to play a C2 chord. The second note in a C scale is a D note. In an open C chord, you'd catch the D note on the B string, 3rd fret.
Somebody correct me if I'm way off. I figured this stuff out a long time ago and while it seems to work, I don't know for certain if I'm right. It just feels right.... |
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Location: Utah | Sounds right. Add2 means just adding that one note. Add9 means adding the 7th and the 9th. At least that is what I recall being taught. |
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Location: New Jersey, USA | There is really no such thing as a C2 chord.
Csus2 = C D G
(E, the third, is omitted - or "suspended")
Cadd9 = C D E G
(contains both ninth and 3rd, but not the seventh)
C9 = C E G Bb D
(extension of a dominant 7th chord)
Cm9 = C Eb G Bb D
(extension of a minor 7th chord)
Etc. |
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Location: nyc area | I think in this case they might mean
The second inversion of a g major triad,
Using the third on the bottom string.
G major - G B D
Second inversion - B D G
G9 - G B D F
Gsus2 - GAD
G add9 - GABD
Hope this clears it up, good question! |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I'm with rpguitar. There IS no such thing, even though you see it on some of these internet sites. Flysig, if it has 1-3-5-7 and 9 it is a ninth chord, an ADD 9 is just 1-3-5-9. Technically speaking, any time you add a note, you should be building on what is already there. So a 13th for example, should be 1-3-5-7-9-11-13. Of course this is impossible on a guitar, so what you can do is either drop the 1 IF you have a bass player who can provide that for you, or you can drop the 11, which doesn't sound all that great anyway, or you can drop the 5. You MUST have a 3 and a 7 or you won't be able to tell if the chord is a major or minor (in the case of the 3), or if it is a 13th or a major 13th (in the case of the 7). If you have 1-3-5-9-13, you would call it an ADD9 ADD13.
Matt, I was always told that the second inversion would be labeled as a G/B, or G with a B bass. |
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Location: SoCal | I guess I was way off. I'll stick to my 3 chords..... |
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Location: GA USA | Moody, you and I can just keep sticking that A note in and be happy about it. |
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Location: SoCal | I'll never learn all the theory behind chords. I try to do what works.
Yesterday, on the Chetboard, there was a whole discussion on Travis picking and how people use that term for pattern picking, not for the way Merle Travis actually played. Yet I know some outstanding professional musicians who refer to pattern picking as Travis picking. Regardles of what you call it, if it works.....
I'm not going to worry about it. If it sounds right to my ear than it's good enough..... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I've always played the "2" note in place of the third in the chord, most often as an open chord, whereas the "9" is in addition to the third note most typically played from a barre position. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | When you drop the 3 and make it a 2, it is a SUS2. You can also do a SUS4, once again dropping the 3. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | My head hurts; and this after two years of music theory, a year of counterpoint, 20th century tone rows and then choral arranging.
If you are like me, anytime I can manage to find the 2 of the chord and add it, no matter where it is, I'm happy. Purist? No...just slightly challanged in my ability to add all the notes indicated.
A really good pianist friend of ours was once asked how she played all the notes scored in various choral arrangements. Her reply was something like, "Actually, I don't." Works for me! ;) :D
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Location: enid, ok | Who comes up with this stuff? I just hear it, and play accordingly. Of course, I AM the world's worst hack. I have to go with Matt. He knows. |
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Dumb Question: Chord2 vs Chordadd9
