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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Originally posted by twistedlim:
But if he wants to keep preforming he will have to play what folks want to hear. The thing is, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so the best thing to do is please yourself.
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| Here is a comparison of Jackson's set list for the Soundstage concert vs. what made it to the broadcast:
http://www.pbs.org/wttw/soundstage/jbrowne/setlist.html
If you click on video, you'll get "Culver Moon".
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Location: Michigan | Umm I don't know about garbage Paul. The "lite" term was in reference to his mini set prior to the BIG show from Petty. Was this the only way he could play to a big house? It was sad to see him pandering to Petty and thanking him for letting him be a part of his show. Heck, Jackson Browne should be THE SHOW.
In reference to the success of the Solo Acoustic albums...ummm quite a few hits from the past on there I believe?
I have nothing against artist bringing out new stuff, hey that is what they have been doing their whole life, but as an entertainer you also have to balance what people expect in a show. I saw Folgelberg when he was trotting out a new album. He came out in a white jumpsuit rocking all over the stage for 50 minutes with stuff nobody had heard. He then sat down and did a medly of his past acoustic hits. A MEDLEY?
People come to shows to be entertained and like it or not they expect to hear the music they play on their ipods or in CDs in their car. Anyway its just my opinion but I don't think it is garbage.
Lame ass tribute band? Come on, is that what you think of Taylor and Buffett, The Greatful Dead? They were are entertainers who enjoy the show. In James Taylors interview with Elvis Costello he said he still gets that overwhelming feeling of excitement before every show. I have to believe that is why he still does it.
As James Taylor said:
" Summer like summer coming back every year, got your baby, got your blanket got your bucket of beer...pay good money to hear Fire and Rain again and again and again...that's why I'm here".
Moody, it does sound like a "Garden Party" :) |
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Location: Scotland | I did not mention Buffet or Taylor, I referred to the Stones as just one example a lame-ass tribute band. There are ton of others currently doing the rounds who haven't produced work of any merit for at least 20 years. Record sales are in the toilet, so live shows are the alternative. Unfortunately nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
As for audiences expecting performers to "give them what they want", that may be so, but if an artist doesn't give it to them that is their preogative, and you can whine if you like but it won't change anything, because as much as fans like to think they "own" a performer, they clearly do not. It's kinda like going into someones workplace and telling them how they should be doing their job.
But, you're obviously an expert, so you must be right and the artists who don't conduct their shows in exactly the manner you would prefer, must be wrong. |
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Location: Michigan | Woa Paul. Take it easy. I'm no expert, not even a performer. I just buy tickets to shows. No whining here. If they don't put on the show I want to see I don't go back. Simple as that. |
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Artists who regularly release new material tour to promote that new material. They will usually play a (small) handful of hits, but that is not the purpose. The purpose is to promote and sell new product, not rest on the laurels of back-catalog. If you want that go see the Stones, or some other lame-ass act who have turned into their own tribute band.
+1 on that. The Sebastian/Grisman show I went to last year was to support their then new CD. They did do a small amount of Lovin' Spoonful/John Sebastian stuff, but it was later in the show.
IMHO, it was a nice balance between old and new.
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
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As for audiences expecting performers to "give them what they want", that may be so, but if an artist doesn't give it to them that is their preogative, and you can whine if you like but it won't change anything, because as much as fans like to think they "own" a performer, they clearly do not. It's kinda like going into someones workplace and telling them how they should be doing their job.
I'm a big Rush fan and have seen nearly every every tour tour since 1981. They toured last year in support of a new album and played 9 songs from it (including 3 instrumentals). I didn't mind because I love their new material, but I did hear quite a bit of whining about it. It wasn't enough that the balance of their 3 hour show was packed with the "classic" stuff.
There are bands out there doing the "nostalgia" thing and I think that is fine. I've seen a few of them (Journey, Def Leppard, James Taylor, CSN) and they put on very good shows playing pretty much nothing but the old stuff. As long as they put on a good show, I have no problem with it.
If you are considering buying tickets to a show, it's easy enough to find out what type of material the artist is doing. A few years back, I skipped Neil Young's tour because he was doing nearly all new material which I didn't care for. A quick trip to Google is all it takes. |
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Location: Tennessee | My comment about Jackson Browne is that when I saw him there didn't seem to be any passion. He was just going through the motions. When I saw him earlier in his career, he used to interact with the other musicians on stage (ie Lindley) so that everyone seemed to be drawn in ... but there was none of that. Head down staring at the piano keys. Standing in front of a mike with eyes closed and a guitar. Sensitive singer songwriter? Maybe so, but I saw it as a bored dude at work with a job that he wasn't happy doing. That's my beef. It had nothing to do with the material. I am not a fan of nostalgia anyway. |
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
My comment about Jackson Browne is that when I saw him there didn't seem to be any passion. He was just going through the motions. When I saw him earlier in his career, he used to interact with the other musicians on stage (ie Lindley) so that everyone seemed to be drawn in ... but there was none of that. Head down staring at the piano keys. Standing in front of a mike with eyes closed and a guitar. Sensitive singer songwriter? Maybe so, but I saw it as a bored dude at work with a job that he wasn't happy doing. That's my beef. It had nothing to do with the material. Ex-act-ly. Well said.
And, as I said earlier, I know the material well (old and new)and have always been a big fan. Still am. Just my personal critique on what I observed. I was never expecting any "rock-out-with-your-whatever-out-whatever-that-means" music. Not even an apples to apples reference to what I originally wrote. |
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Location: Scotland | OK, here's the bottom line.... All You fuckin' critics and experts, list your next shows right here, right now.........
And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement. Maybe it would be like this...
"He didn't play any of the hits"
"That's because he hasn't had any hits because he's a talentless wannabe
Some of you really make me want to puke, you have no clue whatsoever. |
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
OK, here's the bottom line.... All You fuckin' critics and experts, list your next shows right here, right now.........
And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement. Maybe it would be like this...
"He didn't play any of the hits"
"That's because he hasn't had any hits because he's a talentless wannabe
Some of you really make me want to puke, you have no clue whatsoever. Ok, Ok I get it. Yeesh. So much for callin' 'em as I see 'em. Just call me clueless.
Oh wait, you just did. See, there I go again.... :confused: |
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Location: Location Location Location | Jackson Browne doesn't phone it in. He is what he always was. I've been a fan since he came out with Saturate...1971? 1972? His songs are incredible. I listen with an envy of someone who will never write a song as good. He was that good when he was 21. At 61, he's no better, and no worse.
His voice is as strong and evocative as ever. His band is one of the tightest I've ever seen, and he's an integral part of that band
Was that the Soundstage show I saw? I don't know. All I know is, I was glued to the screen from the first song to the last.
You either like him or you don't. I like him. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement."
It's a deal Paul, but I would have to drag your arse up to play some "lap steel" .... |
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Jackson Browne on Soundstage
