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Location: ms | You broke past 2K a long time ago, you just got 2K guitars for less. |
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All dreads started as an attempt to clone a prewar Martin, yet a Martin and an Adamas are hard to compare: like a flamenco guitar and a classical, Maccaferri and parlor slothead, dobro and banjo. Different flavors? Like a chocolate cheesecake and salted fish, there's more to it.
Unless one plays 3 chords over 4 frets in the living room to 2 people I see how a different icecream flavor may not be an issue. Tone is subjective, I'm not arguing which is "better".
But if one demands the ultimate: playability, reliability, tonal consistency, harmonic precision, balance, playing live to 2k audience - I don't see how these flavors can be interchangeable. B-band? you must be kidding. Try plugging that Martin on a stage with fully amped band. Or recording acoustic with an acoustic bass and drums. I did - once.
I have thousands of tracks, mostly acoustic guitar music, jazz, fusion, manouche, from 3/4 strumming to acoustic Mahavishnu. Not a single Martin there. It's NOT just a tonal flavor issue.
If you're just a weekend strummer or collecting guitars, that's fine, but assuming one is seriously into it, how does one go from an Adamas to a dread and back... puzzling.
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Location: South of most, North of few | Well, there ya have it. I'M A "WEEKEND STRUMMER"
I haven't recorded any tracks, I don't play with a full band in a 5000 seat auditorium, in fact, I suck at playing. But, I do see a lot of "professional musicians" live and on the tube, and very few (if any) use anything but a wood box. I think the last time I saw anyone use an Adamas (except Kaki King) was the Wilson sisters, and that was eons ago. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by mmm:
MM, TJ,
All dreads started as an attempt to clone a prewar Martin, yet a Martin and an Adamas are hard to compare: like a flamenco guitar and a classical, Maccaferri and parlor slothead, dobro and banjo. Different flavors? Like a chocolate cheesecake and salted fish, there's more to it.
Unless one plays 3 chords over 4 frets in the living room to 2 people I see how a different icecream flavor may not be an issue. Tone is subjective, I'm not arguing which is "better".
But if one demands the ultimate: playability, reliability, tonal consistency, harmonic precision, balance, playing live to 2k audience - I don't see how these flavors can be interchangeable. B-band? you must be kidding. Try plugging that Martin on a stage with fully amped band. Or recording acoustic with an acoustic bass and drums. I did - once.
I have thousands of tracks, mostly acoustic guitar music, jazz, fusion, manouche, from 3/4 strumming to acoustic Mahavishnu. Not a single Martin there. It's NOT just a tonal flavor issue.
If you're just a weekend strummer or collecting guitars, that's fine, but assuming one is seriously into it, how does one go from an Adamas to a dread and back... puzzling.
M I've never listened to a John Mayer cd and have only heard a few of his songs in passing, but I saw one of his concerts on tv about a month ago. His Martin's sounded pretty damn good to me.
I've owned 2 different Adamas and a number of Ovations. I also have 2 Martins. I don't know why there would be an issue with switching around. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Man, I thought this thread was about owning 2000 guitars!
In response to 3m, I get what you are saying. I'm just a mediocre played who like to collect cool guitars, so I have to base my tonal opinions (and visual to some extent) on what I hear others do who are much more professional to me. With popular performing or recording artists there is (to me) a connection to their chosen instrument that is integral in the whole "package" and to mess with it just ain't right.
For example, if I showed up at an Al Dimeola concert and he was playing a Martin 00028 EC it just wouldn't seem "right" to me. Nothing "wrong" with the guitar per se. Same thing if CSN&Y showed up playing Adamas guitars. It just wouldn't sit right.
The whole arguement of what's better, sounds better, whatever is just total blah blah bullshit. We all like what we like and that's it, no right and no wrong to the opinion. It's just opinions based on nothing other than opinion. My ears hear one thing, my hands feel something else, my wallet says this, etc. Maybe that's why I own so many guitars.
In my opinion the only thing that matters is that I can hold one of MY guitars in MY hands and say "I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT I OWN THIS".
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
...no right and no wrong to the opinion. It's just opinions based on nothing other than opinion...the only thing that matters is that I can hold one of MY guitars in MY hands and say "I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT I OWN THIS" 'xactly. But don't tell that to a Taylor lover. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Well, there ya have it. I'M A "WEEKEND STRUMMER"
I haven't recorded any tracks, I don't play with a full band in a 5000 seat auditorium, in fact, I suck at playing. But, I do see a lot of "professional musicians" live and on the tube, and very few (if any) use anything but a wood box. I think the last time I saw anyone use an Adamas (except Kaki King) was the Wilson sisters, and that was eons ago. Jimbo,
+1
I also like what Dave said.
I would add.... "Play what you like & like what you play." And I would love to play that Martin,(and maybe iffy's 1680). |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | To whoever cares:
I received a New-to-me Martin (2002 CEO-5) from TJ last week. I have compared it side by side to my 1537, 1681 and UTE (u681t). I have had family and friends listen to the comparisons as well. The results AMAZED me, I didn't really know what to expect before the comparison. I was thinking about which Ovation I may want to pass on down the line, BEFORE the comparison.
Final analysis from all concerned is this: They all sound GREAT, each has it's own distinct sound (flavor), each one excels in a particular way from the others, each one handles (sic) differently, yet uniquely.
I am not a good player and may never be, but it is SO MUCH DAMN FUN finding the nuances between fine guitars. I do not have the finances to gather a studio full of great gits, and may never realize the finer appointments available out there, but I am thankful for my little treasure trove. Ovation, Martin, Collings, Taylor (never played one), etc. etc. etc. WHO CARES, but for each individuals own likes.
If there was only one guitar manufacturer in the world, then we would be the lesser for it.
VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!! The more the merrier. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Amen. It's good to be King (of our own little worlds), eh? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Stephent28 has as nice a selection as I've seen. I really enjoyed comparing his guitars, not so much as a comparison of which is better, but just to be able to trying out the different choices. I rarely have the opportunity to play so many varieties of high quality instruments. I could easily be a Martin or Collings fan if my budget allowed, but I am glad that I really liked the 47 and brought it home. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Originally posted by Weaser P:
Amen. It's good to be King (of our own little worlds), eh? You are right Weas, sorry to rant here, but this group has always been open minded to all flavors.
I feel fortunate to have my little group of guitars and the occasional opportunity to taste other flavors.
FWIW: Trader Jim is an inspiration. He never stops his search for his perfect guitar, and I doubt he ever will. (at least as long as I can talk him out of his current favorite. ;) )
BTW: Weas, how are you likin the UTE? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | "BTW: Weas, how are you likin the UTE?"
Can't put it down and I've got two buds with eyes on that eBay one because of it. GREAT guitar (but you knew that already... ;) ) |
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Well, I finally broke the 2k barrier (by a bunch)
