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Location: Texas | T and Slip,
Plug in. Trust me...
In my experience:
1.Concert hall: killer PA, killer mics, competent soundman, soundcheck and quiet audience: ......................you can play acoustic without pluggin in....
2.Noisy bar with club PA, people talking and drinking:........ always PLUG IN, no contest. A nice amp (1 for each guitar) with a line out to the PA will give you more control to twick your tone and volume for a better overall sound.
Or, you could do both, use microphones and plug in, but the mics will only give you an extra headache.
Oh, and use Ovations........ :) |
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Location: south east Michigan | Thanks for all the input everyone.
We'll fill you in on the audio successes and train wrecks.
I hate to go all diva, but I am going to insist, in a polite way, that I can hear myself on the monitor.
Mike... who runs the event is a great guy. Only thing, he's a volume guy. You know the kind. If it sounds good set at 5 it'll sound twice a good set at 10. After it gets to a point where you can't carry on a conversation it's just wasting electricity. Brian & I try to throttle him back but it is an effort. |
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Location: Flahdaw | So, are you gonna plug in or not?
I decided to re-read Brian's original post. He said there are some "rudimentary monitors." I'm not sure how we all got off on the "no monitor" tangent. Still, plugging into amps and using the line outs to the PA sounds smart. Good luck. (how are you doing with the Harmony box?) |
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Location: south east Michigan | Oh we'll plug in I'm sure. Such strong advise from Temp, Country Artist and others cannot be ignored.
So far so good with the harmonizer. It is much more natural and less "robo-voicey" than the other model I tried.
That being said, I'd be twice as happy if it did half as much. Lots-o-settings and options to deal with. |
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Location: Scotland | Brad, after seeing Bill's Helicon in SF I bought one. Absolutely love it. Easy to use. sounds great. |
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Location: south east Michigan | There's a pretty solid endorsement from a guy who has good ears... average hair... but good ears.
The guy at the desk next to me listens to country music a couple days a week. There is one song they are playing a lot. (sorry... don't know the name or the singer).... but it's very obvious he is using a harmonizer. Like a special effect in a movie, if you notice it, it's not good. |
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Location: south east Michigan | wait, wait, wait.
Hold on here.
Paul.. are using the harmonizer.... yourself??
I've never heard you sing.
But I would throw a couple bucks in the hat to hear you. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | I'd throw a couple bucks in the hat for him to get new hair... |
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Location: Scotland | I can't sing for shit. Wish I could. The harmoniser is for when our regular percussionist, who sings backup is unavailable, as out stunt percussionist can't sing either. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'd still throw down a few bucks.
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Here's what I'd like.
A little row or panel of lights that I could clip on my mic stand that would tell me the status of the effects. It's distracting to have to look down at my feet to confirm if its on or off. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
I can't sing for shit. It's somewhat comforting that Temp doesn't excel in all aspects of music. Certainly has compensated well. |
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Location: Michigan | where and when are you playing ? GWB |
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Location: south east Michigan | Jacks Place at Emerald City Marina. 10-1/2(?)and Jefferson.
Supposed start tween 8 & 8:30.
We'll be playing first because I have to get home and get my beauty sleep. |
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| Originally posted by Brian T:
Anyone tried a set up like this before? Thoughts?
Any other suggestions for controlling or setting up the mix without a reliable sound man at the board? Yes, I have done this, a long time ago. That's why I bought my first piezo equipped Ovation, because I didn't want to do it anymore.
It will work in a concert environment in which that audience is quiet and attentive, and would be enhanced by the presence of a competent soundman using the proper mics. In a bar situation, with no soundman, with a couple of dynamic mics on the guitars, I fear you'll either be underpowered or will be fighting howl. I wouldn't care to do it. The best suggestion I have is to plug in. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Just a follow-up.
For the first time I can remember, Mike (the volume guy) had the house levels just right.
I had some feedback problems that will be solved by an air lock plug. It keep my guitar level under what it should have been for both the monitors and the house.
I used the AD-II rather than the UTE thinking that the wood top would behave better than the carbon fiber. Not so. That spruce was dancing around like the pad of an orbital sander.
Lessons learned.
Since we only play like this a few time a year it's hard to get it down pat.
Blew thru a dozen songs straight then was asked for one more. All in all... a good night.
Thanks again for all the advise. |
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Location: closely held secret | Sounds like a good night. So you played plugged in? |
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Location: south east Michigan | oh yes |
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Location: south east Michigan | 
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I know, I know...
First question is... who's the chick?
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An old friend of Brian's |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Nice....a trio!
Let's hear some sound clips STAT! |
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Playing though a PA with mic'd guitars
