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PUDIE
Posted 2003-08-27 5:38 AM (#342590)
Subject: ovation 1612-1


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I have an ovation deluxe balladeer for sale ..1976 1612-1. VG condition with fibreglass mustard coloured ovation case.Any serious offers
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2003-08-27 9:50 AM (#342591 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Your guitar is a "Custom" Balladeer, not a "Deluxe" Balladeer. There's a whole thread on this in the archives, as we had this discussion about 2 months ago.
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PUDIE
Posted 2003-08-27 1:26 PM (#342592 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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With all due respect mr moody check this out http://www.ovationguitars.com/?fa=crackcode
it's a 1612-1
think you'll find i was right
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cliff
Posted 2003-08-27 1:30 PM (#342593 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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I own the exact same guitar (same year), different color. It's a Custom Balladeer.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2003-08-27 1:48 PM (#342594 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Pudie:

I'll take all the respect I can get (Lord knows, I get none at home). What's on the Ovation web page is incorrect. If you'd like, I'll scan and send you pages from the catalogs of the time.

You'll find all this out looking at the archives (on this site) and doing a search on the Custom Balladeer and the Deluxe Balladeer, but to recap briefly, the Deluxe was Ovation's top of the line guitar from 1967 to 1969. It then got a bit more trim and became the Legend (different bracing patter as well.

The Custom Balladeer was introduced around 1972 and was in production (in various forms) until the late 1980's. A very good workhorse guitar.

Check out this link from the Ovation web page and you'll see that somewhere, Ovation made a mistake on the page. And that mistake was one word on the page you linked. Deluxe should have read Custom. I have all the catalogs in file. In other words, "I gots the overwhelming proof ma' man!"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2554010367&category=33029
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balladeerman
Posted 2003-08-27 2:44 PM (#342595 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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ummmmmm moody, that link goes the tornado auction on ebay.
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Standingovation
Posted 2003-08-27 2:58 PM (#342596 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1



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Custom Balladeer, no question about it. But Paul (with all due repects to my friends and relatives from the island), please realize that by default anything in the UK that is "Deluxe" must certainly be "Custom".

But here is the odd twist in all of this: 1112 or 1612 Custom Balladeer is basically a more modern incarnation of the early Deluxe Balladeer (chrome tuners, unbound neck, dot inlays) sans the shiny bowl and 5 point bridge. It was the early Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer that really morphed into the 1117 or 1617 Legend (gold tuners, bound neck, diamond inlays).

Anyway, bottom line is that the 1612 is called the "Custom Balladeer" no doubt about that, and it is a pretty darn nice guitar.

Dave
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2003-08-27 3:14 PM (#342597 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Dave is right on the "morphing" of the guitars, but the bottom line is that the Deluxe Balladeer became the Legend, and the Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer changed to the shallow bowl with different bracing. The Legend had one year of having the same fret markings as the DB but with binding on the neck. Then it went to the full GC neck inlays, but had the newer bracing.

Here's the correct link:

http://www.ovationguitars.com/index.cfm?fa=detail&mid=982

Now all of you, go do some work or something.
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PUDIE
Posted 2003-08-27 4:09 PM (#342598 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhh!!!..I have created a monster...ok..cheers boys.here is amended post
I have an ovation CUSTOM balladeer for sale ..1976 1612-1. VG condition with fibreglass mustard coloured ovation case.Any serious offers
Cheese..pudie
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Standingovation
Posted 2003-08-27 4:50 PM (#342599 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1



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To be perfectly correct - you have a MOLDED PLASTIC & FOAM case, not a FIBERGLASS case. Ah heck, but we know what you mean ... Good luck with your guitar sale and welcome to the board.

P.S. Beware of anybody named PAUL

P.S.S. Isn't it spelled fibREglass in the UK ???

Dave
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cliff
Posted 2003-08-27 5:15 PM (#342600 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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fuggin' wise-ass Yanks!! :)
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seesquare
Posted 2003-08-27 5:58 PM (#342601 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Interesting point, Cliff. Are Arizona inhabitants really Yanks? I always get confused by that whole Mason-Dixon theater.....or, is that, theatre?
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cliff
Posted 2003-08-27 6:01 PM (#342602 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Arizona!!!
Who're you trying to fool?
I happen to know you were born here in Jersey!!

Besides, it's better than "septics" (a term I've heard Master Templeman use for us). :rolleyes:
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seesquare
Posted 2003-08-28 1:34 PM (#342603 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Pardon moi, mon frere'. You may be referring to our esteemed colleague Dave, of the StandingOvation moniker. I entered this corporeal realm in California, thank you very much. As for "septics", its a relative judgement. Weeds are so identified, due to desirability and acceptance, not inherent toxicity. If the inference concerns contamination or contagiousness, now there we may be guilty.
Sorry, Mr. Pudie, for the diversion and diatribe. I hope you get a good offer on your 1612. I have my discretionary funds already committed on my 1127 repairs.
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Mario
Posted 2003-08-28 2:04 PM (#342604 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Hey Seesquare, what are yo having done to your 1127? I have a 1627 that is wavy and cracked and has even come up in one spot, but a great guitar though.
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seesquare
Posted 2003-08-28 3:22 PM (#342605 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Mario, I would direct you to "New Critter in the Zoo" as the referent discussion on this inquiry. Damn, this dictionary breath just won't go away!
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PUDIE
Posted 2003-08-29 4:03 AM (#342606 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Anyway does anybody want to buy this dam guitar??
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cliff
Posted 2003-08-29 7:50 AM (#342607 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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In the inimitable words of the "French" soldier at the top of the castle wall in ". . . the Holy Grail":

" . . No thanxa, I've already GOT one . . .
(. . I told them we've already got one . .hee-hee . .) "


Seriously(?), as was stated earlier, that IS a very good guitar! Maybe not a fancy "thorobred", but it's a good, sturdy, dependable quarterhorse.
As I said, I've got the same model, same year, I still gig with it just about every weekend, and it's just starting to get "broken in".

Your best bet'd probbably be eBay (unless someone here is looking to upgrade into the realm of USAOvations).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say @ $350-$400 depending upon condition.
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seesquare
Posted 2003-08-29 9:30 AM (#342608 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Sounds fair. Good luck, Pudie!
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PUDIE
Posted 2003-08-29 3:12 PM (#342609 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Cheese boys..nice friendly and intuitive forum this.I might even keep the guitar now as it's in mint condition and is probably worth more than £300 to me anyway.Cya..PUDIE
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cliff
Posted 2003-08-29 3:19 PM (#342610 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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"Capital" idea, that. :D
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soundboard
Posted 2008-06-15 11:02 AM (#342611 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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Is your 1612 still for sale. love to see some pic's
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dvd
Posted 2008-06-15 11:35 AM (#342612 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1



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uhh, this thread is from 2003 and PUDIE hasn't posted since.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-06-16 7:00 AM (#342613 - in reply to #342590)
Subject: Re: ovation 1612-1


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drive by.
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