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| Quite often the neck binding is so badly fitted (usually because the frets aren't fully dressed) that the top E string slips into the gap as you play. Gibson's Nashville quality control is the worst. It's no wonder PRS are taking all their top end business. Hamer should be taking more of it too. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I've noticed the same thing shroeder, PRS is definitely siphoning it off, at least from what I see in NYC. I've seen people go right for PRS, before they hit the Gibsons, sometimes they don't even try one.
PS. I don't think you're a lost cause Dave! Why ... because you're an ovation fan! |
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Location: Spain | think yourselves lucky my local "Spanish" music shop sells Stagg guitars sod all else they dont keep a set of strings for a 12 string and the so called expert is convinced a 0.10 is fine for the octave G . Ah well if he wasn,t such an arse I wouldn,t have imported my MEII so I suppose it,s OK. |
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Location: closely held secret | Give the guy a break, Roger. He's been sick. And he's British. He's probably out of his mind, and can't be held responsible for anything he says. |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | Slipkid talking about a Gibson guitar with a guitar shop employee. asked if it came from the factory that way and he said "Yeah...ya gotta look them over before you put them out on the rack".
Alot is said about Gibson's slide in quality. I recently bought online a Gibson Les Paul double cut standard plus. A very beautiful guitar with fine craftsmanship. It was very poorly set up and had a chambered body so it didn't have the Les Paul weight. I sent it back to Musician's Friends for a full refund.
I went personally to Guitar Center and spent hours looking and playing Les Pauls. There were a few minor set up problems. Nothing like the Double cut I had sent back though. While I was there, they received a new shipment and I saw several Les Pauls fresh from the box. They all had decent but not perfect set ups. However, the craftsmanship was excellent.
I found out that Gibson has been chambering there LP's for years so they aren't such a strain on the shoulders. They don't all weigh the same. I left the Guitar Center with a 2006 Classic 1960 reissue Les Paul gold top. The action is perfect and I love the 60's neck. The binding and all other craftsmanship in wonderful. This was one of the one fresh out of the box. I was the first to hold it.
By the way I did spend some time looking over the PRS guitars and someday hope to own one. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm not trying to single out Gibson. I think many and maybe all brands suffer from poor set ups from time to time. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Art, by definition, can't be perfect every time and, to me, guitar building (regardless of the builder) is very much an art. |
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Location: Idaho | Fender Tacoma factory people figure on 7 to 9 total hours building time on any guitar. They say that is pretty well industry wide. Not much time to do any extra fine tuning. Taylors seem to have a lot of CNC work, but as one dealer lamented to me, the physical consistancies don't translate into consistant good sound by any two of the same model. IMO, very overpriced. |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | Didn't this thread start out hating Taylors? |
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Location: ms | Ok the problem I have with taylors...
1. string tension-I think the problem with that is the distance between the nut and the tuner just a uneducated guess.
2. they tend not to open up in other words what you play new is what you get. I have not had one get better with age.
3. they seem to need constant neck adjustment if you'll notice some of the better known players "Doyle Dikes" "Laurence Juber" leave the trust rod cover off because they have to adjust the neck so often
Having said this, here is a list of the taylors I have owned.
-710
-712
-614ce
-baby taylor
-410...still have it..probably the best taylor I've had. but its for sale or trade. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Well, I think I'll go play my Taylor for a while...
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Location: Idaho | Originally posted by OldLiverJones:
Didn't this thread start out hating Taylors? we've been taking Al's preachin to heart and trying to mellow out and spread a little love.
Are you an LPxpert? I have an old 80 LP Firebrand that's spent most of the past 20 years in the closet. I need some help knowing what I have so I can liquidate it for a down payment on an EA series. |
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Location: SoCal | You know, I don't think anybody here hates Taylors. The general consensus is that they are overpriced for what you get. But there are some really great Taylors out there. Just not as many as people would have you believe.
But hate, nah. |
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Location: Omaha | Well, (Taylors are) not my thing...for "wood" guitars, I'll stick with Larrivee (I have two, a '92 OM-05 and an '02 LV-09). Incredible woods, craftsmanship (art?) and TONE every time... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Keep in mind that "set-ups" are pretty personal adjustments. One size don't fit all. |
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Location: Australia | Can't really comment on the new Taylors, but I own two mid 90's models.
I was a rep for a music wholesaler and travelled extensively and played 100's of top end acoustics and my two Taylors are among the finest sounding acoustics I've ever played.
As far as the new T's, I hate how they have that awful joined on headstock, it looks cheap. I don't like their new pickup system either. I think they're trying to build too many guitars and somethings gotta give.
I love my 1687 Adamas but my 910 still sounds superior. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | richardd: You can probably get away with saying something like that here, once.
But you should put a smiley after it or we'll have to take a collection amonst ourselves to send the four worst players here to serenade outside your window for a week.
(BTW, I'm up to almost 3 chords! :eek: More with capo) |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by fillhixx:
(BTW, I'm up to almost 3 chords! :eek: More with capo) :D :D I will be using that.
Often . |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | TDeeJ asked if: Are you an LPxpert? I have an old 80 LP Firebrand that's spent most of the past 20 years in the closet. I need some help knowing what I have I am no Les Paul expert. However, I have spent 30 years studing and playing them. A great one will make my fingers dance.
Sorry I can't help you with your Firebrand. I never heard of it. However, I am no expert. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Taylors are good guitars but they're simply over priced. When I first saw them I wondered why someone would pay so much for a guitar. About 5 years ago when business was good, I bought a Taylor 514CE. Its a good guitar, but still, I think its over priced. My LX 1777, exceeds the Taylor in all aspects. Taylor boasts a lot about their exotic woods, which allows them to inflate their price and perceived value. USA Ovations just can't be beat in their class. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | A friend bought an 810 for $810. I would do that. The local GC has an 812 for around $2000 used. I wasn't impressed. |
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Location: closely held secret | Offer them $812. Tell them there's precedent. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I wouldn't pay $812 for it. It has a small body, supposedly a concert size, with a cutaway and didn't seem to put out any sound. |
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Location: Idaho | Beware Taylor did a major revoicing on the 12 series in 2004 to "fix" the sound. $812 might be too much if pre-2004.
Comparing list prices: AD 1687 about $3K while the tr 910ce about $5K. |
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