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Location: closely held secret | Oooo. He's got you there, Schroed.
Word cop hauled off for egregious error. "But it is spelt that way!", claimed the Brit. "You Americans don't know how to talk proper English, you stonkers!" |
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Location: south east Michigan | BrianT gets on me all the time about how my next guitar just has to be a wooden box model. Although I test drive many Martins, Taylors, and whatever I can get my hands on, I have not found any that I would want to bring home.
Call me close-minded if you must. And excuse me for waxing philosophic. But in this fast-paced, unlimitied choice, hyped up sales pitch world, I find comfort in having a few constants in my life.
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One wife (a combination of effort and luck)
Chevy trucks
Ski downhill only
Ovation guitars
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So much can change on the whims of fortune, misfortune, or fate. Please forgive my few futile attempts to impose some type of order in my little corner of a chaotic world. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Brad: a.k.a Slipkid...Thread-killer extrodinare!
Sorry about the above post. It seemed to be on topic at the time. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | ... " I would add that there is NOTHING as dark and beautiful as the tone of an Ovation that has been played hard for some thirty years" ...
I also agree with this statement. I have decided that I will never purchase another "new" guitar. I'm just getting too old to wait for it to season. I CAN tell those of you who have newer guitars, that a good luthier friend of mine said he has heard of individuals placing their guitars on stands, in front of speakers. He says the repeated vibration simulates playing for a long time, and swears it helps break in a new guitar. There's obviously nothing like actually playing one for 30 years, but the idea sounds good to me. The TREASURE is in the old ones. |
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| "spell, spelled, spelt. Read (words,writing, a book, etc.,) letter by letter; peruse or make out slowly or with difficulty."
The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary.
I rest my case Your Honour.
(although I will admit that even as I wrote it I wasn't sure. I just couldn't be bothered to check.)
(And it was meant as a joke not an insult). |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Sure. The Oxford Dictionary. Shoulda known't. |
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Location: Spain | Come on Schroed you don,t have to justify your use of the language they can,t spell colour!!!! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I put my faith in the Webster Dictionary of the American Language. Period. I don't trust books named after shoes and neither should you. Spelt, indeed !!!
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Those guys in England don't speak English anyway. Since when does "honor" have a U in it? They try to add letters where they don't need them and take them out of words like "spelled."
My Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, does have "spelt" in it though. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...now, now... he can't help it if he was hungry when he posted:
Spelt
btw, howz come nobody has mentioned the 2001 Collector's Redwoods in this "Best Sounding" list..??? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | btw, howz come nobody has mentioned the 2001 Collector's Redwoods in this "Best Sounding" list..??? because we don't own one ;) |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...I do....
...neener, neener, neener! :D :D :D |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
My Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, does have "spelt" in it though. Well I'll be fuckt. Guess I need to appologize to my dear brit friend. And buy a new dictionary. Who would have guesst it that the same folks who invented the dictionary were the guys who showed up for a war wearing red jackets. Cheers, Dave |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It's probably not in the new ones. Mine is from the late 60s or early 70s. |
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| Apppollllojee not necessary - although it is in the dictionary it does say "archaic" alongside it. But there again so am I.
The red coats were a symbol of what it means to be British. Brave but really, really stupid. (Although personally I'm not brave.) |
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Location: Chicago | SPEAKING OF the 1117s:
I see these early 70s gems turning up both as Balladeers and Legends; When exactly did the changeover occur? Is there some ambiguity? Did they ever co-exist?
One of you OFC experts please divert some of your frustrated orthographic scholarly energy to answer this queschun.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | In about 1969/70 the Standard Balladeer turned into the Balladeer. Difference is bowl texture, bracing, stuck on rosette, winged bridge and shallower peghead angle. About 1971 the Kluson tuners were replaced with Grovers and the winged bridge was replaced with the current shape bridge.
Also about 1969 the Deluxe Balladeer was discontinued.
Also about 1970 the Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer turned into the Legend. Difference is bowl texture, bracing, peghead angle, stuck on rosette, and current shaped bridge.
In 1971 the Legend was introduced in a shallower bowl version with different bracing called the Glen Campbell Artist Balladeer.
In 1972/73 a Custom Balladeer was introduced which was basically a Legend neck with chrome hardware stuck on a Balladeer body.
I can't understand why you would be confused.
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Location: Scotland | It's kinda like this:- The Legend evolved from the Deluxe Balladeer. The Deluxe Balladeer was the original model 1117. Sometime around 1970-ish the Deluxe Balladeer aquired a slighlty busier fingerboard inlay pattern and fingerboard binding and was eventually renamed Legend. A little later a model was introduced to replace the Deluxe Balladeer which kinda sat between the Balladeer and Legend. This was the Custom Balladeer. It wasn't particularly "Custom" the only differences being the dots and diamonds fingerboard inlay, better quality tuning machines and unlike the 1111, available with a pickup. The Custom Balladeer Model no's were 1112 and 1612.
As Dave said the Glen Campbell Deluxe Balladeer was also involved and adds to the confusion. The only real difference between the Deluxe Balladeer and the later GC Deluxe Balladeer, apart from minor cosmetic/decorative details, is bowl depth, although the early GC DB's were deep bowl. The GC DB evolved into the 1127/1627 Glen Cambpell Artist Models, which were in every respect except bracing pattern the Legend with an Artist depth bowl. Legend bracing was VT11, GC was VT8. I guess that's about as clear as mud.
To anyone who is not anally-retentive, especially on ebay, the terms Custom Balladeer, Deluxe Balladeer and Legend seem to be pretty much interchangeable. |
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Location: Chicago | Wow, that's an interesting genealogy! I would imagine that, in terms of acoustic sound, it is hard to differentiate between the deep-bowl Balladeers and Legends.
When I finally converted to Ovation in the early 70s I simply had never heard a sexier acoustic sound. Al D. and John M. had brought an acoustic guitar into the high-energy cosmos and I have ever since been a fanatical devotee. My only reservation at the time was the plugged in sound. Better than anything comparable but still not 100%. I noticed that most studio work was still condenser mic. What is the story of the evolution of pickup and pream in this period ('69 - '74)?
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Location: Hicksville, NY | With regrads to getting a good unplugged acoustic sound with Ovation guitars, I believe that you can't go wrong with a deep-bowl model. I tend to like the crisp sounds coming from the deep bowl legends, and the Al DiMeola signature models.
Just my opinion ... and hoping to own one someday ... |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by gregory dobrov:
What is the story of the evolution of pickup and pream in this period ('69 - '74)?
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"Dom. 7th slain by Mel. Minor Mode 7" According to legend (pardon the pun) Jerry Reed was using a Baldwin electro classic with a basic onboard preamp & fairly primitive saddle P/u (called a Prismatone, still famously used by Willie Nelson on his Martin classic) Jerry Reed & Glen Campbell were on a TV show together and Glen borrowed Reed’s Baldwin. Ovation's were acoustic-only at this time. Ovation freaked when their main endorser showed up on TV without an Ovation Guitar. Initially they acquired Baldwin P/u's and preamps and installed them into some Ovations so they’d have an electro model. Jim Rickard reckoned he could make a much better job of it, and of course he did. The rest is history. As far as I’m concerned the original Ovation Pickup that Rickard designed in the early 70’s has yet to be bettered, and the simple Fet3 pre-amp while it lacks the bells and whistles of the laterst pre's, still holds it's own soundwise 30-odd years on.
As for the difference in sound between Balladeers and Legends. Balladeers from the 60’s and 70’s were X braced while the Legends had the VT bracing. IMHO VT bracing stinks, and a lot of 1111’s kill 1117’s |
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Location: Chicago | "As for the difference in sound between Balladeers and Legends. Balladeers from the 60’s and 70’s were X braced while the Legends had the VT bracing. IMHO VT bracing stinks, and a lot of 1111’s kill 1117’s"
This is getting to the heart of a distinction I have heard made over the years. Thus, if I like the "69 - 73" acoustic sound (and I DO!!) I'd be better off looking for a 1111, i.e., a Balladeer of some sort. Any special one?
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