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NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?

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9000
Posted 2006-11-06 11:51 AM (#232909)
Subject: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: ITALY
Hi Guys,
I've got an issue for sure with my 1773LX nylon!
All stringsets highlight a big difference in sound brilliance between 3rd and 4th string (G and D): when you play going from metal covered to naked nylon (from D to G) there is a deep gap in terms of clearness.
It happens playing acoustic: of course when you amplify, you can equalize - but come on...
I could only find a compromize, using Normal Tension for Metal covered Strings and Hard Tension(or very hard, depending on the brand) on nylon ones: in such case, the difference is not that big anymore.
Any owner of Classical testifying his experience?
Any solutions from anybody else?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2006-11-06 12:05 PM (#232910 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: Scotland
This is the nature of monofilament nylon strings, not a fault with your guitar. You are going to need to experiment with string brands and gauges until you hear something you like. Maybe try the Savarez wound trebles. Aquila strings are excellent and should be easy to get hold of, as they are manufactured in Italy.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-11-06 12:33 PM (#232911 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: Boise, Idaho
Nylon strings sound like nylon. They don't sound as bright. I think what you're hearing is just the way they are, not a problem with the guitar.
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9000
Posted 2006-11-06 12:59 PM (#232912 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: ITALY
Right Guys,

I understand there's a difference between metal coated and pure nylon strings.
But why that difference between the 4th and the other two nylon ones? the gap between these two and the metal coated ones is acceptable, after all...
In any case I do realize it's a matter of trying the right set for the guitar!

Thank you for your replies.
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tnroundback
Posted 2006-11-06 1:41 PM (#232913 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: Knoxville, TN
Try a set of D'Addario Pro Arte Composites. These sets come with two G strings, one regular nylon and one composite. The composite G string has a different tone and is supposed to ease the transition between the wound basses and the nylon trebles.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2006-11-06 3:04 PM (#232914 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?



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Location: East Tennessee
Originally posted by tnroundback:
Try a set of D'Addario Pro Arte Composites. These sets come with two G strings, one regular nylon and one composite. The composite G string has a different tone and is supposed to ease the transition between the wound basses and the nylon trebles.
They do work well. Use the Hard Tension EJ46C.
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2006-11-06 8:11 PM (#232915 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: Orange County, California
Savarez 520P1's are all wrapped e to E. very well balanced, lots of texture. The 4rd string is actually thicker than the 5th string. Moody loved the sound but hated the way they felt. :p Great tone though! :D

You can also safely use John Pearse Thomastics on it. They have very "steel-like" trebles which are polisished flat wound nylon ovaer a steel rope core. Very thin in guage, very bright in tone, but they have enough mass to get the top moving nicely. They turn a classical guitar into a nice jazz guitar.

Nothing is a bright as bronze over steel, but I like silver wrapped basses.
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-11-06 9:03 PM (#232916 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: Phoenix AZ
I'm using all wounds on one of my ukuleles (guadalupe strings). Sound is very nice. Dave
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TRboy
Posted 2006-11-10 9:47 PM (#232917 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?



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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR
Hey 9000, I came across THIS (scroll all the way to the bottom and read the inset article on the right titled "Double-hole Tie-block")

I'm not suggesting you drill another set of holes in your bridge :D but you may want to try a set of ball end nylon strings to see if that'll cure your dull sounding D string issue!!
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lofthesedazimgonnacutu
Posted 2006-11-13 3:22 PM (#232918 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: n.e. missouri

good luck sir
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lofthesedazimgonnacutu
Posted 2006-11-13 3:39 PM (#232919 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: n.e. missouri
wrapped like this¿

unfortunatly for this pic i did not have the 520P's on this axe, but the wrap is my style, always having used this method tho attach strings to bridge, for clear resonance, since i was a mere 11 years old
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Styll
Posted 2006-11-13 7:53 PM (#232920 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?


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Location: USA
Go with the D's...
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Arnaud
Posted 2006-11-14 9:32 AM (#232921 - in reply to #232909)
Subject: Re: NO NYLON IN ALL O.F.C.?



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Location: Nîmes, south of France
Originally posted by tnroundback:
Try a set of D'Addario Pro Arte Composites. These sets come with two G strings, one regular nylon and one composite. The composite G string has a different tone and is supposed to ease the transition between the wound basses and the nylon trebles.
I use them on the Viper nylon, G composite string is light brown instead of clear. I'm very pleased with them ;)
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