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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 8:18 PM (#226755 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by MWoody:
I'll be singing hymns right up until the sound of the machine guns...
Woody,
The voices... tell ... me . . . A...P... R... I... L...


....'09
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dvd
Posted 2006-12-14 8:44 PM (#226756 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
If all you conspiracy theorists are done, you might notice the upper left corner of the VisualRoute web page... they're located in Ashburn, VA. It's not tracing from your location, it's tracing from theirs.
Waskel's right about the traceroutes.. but conspiracy ? What conspiracy ? ;)
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cruster
Posted 2006-12-14 9:16 PM (#226757 - in reply to #226680)
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All this conspiracy business reminds me of the good old days of The Lumber Cartel (TINLC).
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-12-14 10:34 PM (#226758 - in reply to #226680)
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Best to hide in plain sight. That's my theory.

and they ain't found me in 31 years as of July 30th just passed.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 11:00 PM (#226759 - in reply to #226680)
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If you think you are not being watched...
There are medications to help you adjust.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2006-12-15 12:41 PM (#226760 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
If all you conspiracy theorists are done, you might notice the upper left corner of the VisualRoute web page... they're located in Ashburn, VA. It's not tracing from your location, it's tracing from theirs.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist (much), but the Department of Homeland Security set up their state-of-the-art data center in Ashburn VA within the past year.
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-15 12:57 PM (#226761 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I hate to think that our tax dollars are being spent to pay some geek in Washington to review all the porn searches.
No doubt, but the issue isn't the government. Its all the various companies that have a presence on the internet.

Think about it. What could you learn about an individual if you knew every Google search he made over the last two years? How about coming up with a personality profile generator, where based on your search criteria, you are assigned into one of several different personality types.

The day is coming, soon, where people will be denied jobs because the inferred personality traits gleaned from their Internet activity will disqualify them.

Unless of course we act first. Privacy protections are hopelessly out of date. We need new legislation immediately.
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-15 1:01 PM (#226762 - in reply to #226680)
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New legislation would certainly need to be objective, but since more and more Congressmen are millionare lawyers who will say anything to get the job and do anything to keep it, objectivity is most certainly lost in the process.
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Chuck (Retired Navy)
Posted 2006-12-15 2:57 PM (#226763 - in reply to #226680)
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Objectivity is NOT one of our Congressmen's strong point on anything unless they are the direct beneficiaries of the results. :(
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-15 3:05 PM (#226764 - in reply to #226680)
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I don't understand the term "objectivity" in this context. In fact, it seems to me that most things political are political because they are subjective: Weighing one person or groups values against anothers'.

In the present example, we might say that employers have an interest in knowing the personality traits of their applicants. And since Google has a ton of data relevent to the question, they (Google) should be allowed to sell that information.

On the other hand, we might say that individuals have an interest in a sphere of privacy that includes their internet activity.

Objectively, both positions are "true". So, its the job of politics to weight them against each other and make some decisions.

In my view, the rights of individuals to privacy are far more important, so that's where I'm coming from.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2006-12-15 4:16 PM (#226765 - in reply to #226680)
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From someone who has been in the industry let me tell you, the LAST person you need to worry about is Uncle Sam. There are no "people" monitoring the literally billions of pages of http and email format traffic that passes each day, its computers searching for patterns and volume. And as far as "copies" there are copies at your host, and at every cache router between you and your host, and guess what, just because you are in the USA and our server is in the USA, doesn't mean that the traffic stays in between.

If you are worried about your "personal" info, think about it hard the next time you throw out your bills, or give the less-than-minimum-wage busboy your credit card to pay for that burger you just ate.

Now, I may be wrong on this, because it is hard to believe, but to my knowledge, so far, any and ALL breaches of personal information, even those alleged by the government, originated from real-word information that was mishandled. As example the VA database was at risk... why??? because some employee had the access information on their laptop, that they took home, that got stolen.

With my knowledge and background, the government is who I least care about knowing about my personal business.

fwiw
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-16 10:39 AM (#226766 - in reply to #226680)
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'Weighing one person or groups values against another' will depend on who is doing the 'weighing', and a millionare attorney/congressman has no objective point of reference with me personally anymore than an employer might have while using 'data' to determine my personality traits. Sounds like some psych-ops nerd trying to justify his job at the people's expense. My business is none of the government's business regardless of whether they're competent or trustworthy. There is no 'uncle sam', but if there was he's out of the people's control these days.
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-16 12:28 PM (#226767 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Steve:
'Weighing one person or groups values against another' will depend on who is doing the 'weighing'
Exactly right. Which is why you should make as much effort as you care to ensure that the guys making the decisions agree with you. But the other guy is going to do the same thing. If he wins, he wins. If you win, you win.
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-16 4:33 PM (#226768 - in reply to #226680)
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With all the 911 hype, the issue of privacy is being re-defined as we speak. Objectvity or subjectiviy as well. I have a friend who is VP at a bank. He said before 911 the banks policy was absolute privacy for the customers, as little information as possible. Now he says it has radically turned the other way. They want absolutely as much information as they can possibly get on any and every customer or account holder. They're taking weeks of new classes in this regard. It's nonsense, and overkill pure and simple. It's like everyone is now suspect and guilty until proven innocent. The "give up your privacy for your own security" double-speak. But my privacy and security didn't fail on 911, the federal government's failed.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2006-12-16 4:48 PM (#226769 - in reply to #226680)
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Excuse the politics-- Link here to find-out how these people used this event to take away our rights, run us trillions of dollars into debt, and make George W king.

http://stage6.divx.com/Louder_Than_Words/show_video/1005782

Now back to the music... Have you played your Ovation today?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-12-16 9:08 PM (#226770 - in reply to #226680)
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Forgive me for saying this guys, but this is one of the sillier discussions on the board. "King Georg"? Give me a break.

As somebody who makes a living in the world of gathering information, I can tell you that privacy is a perception, nothing more. There is a ton of information on everybody out there for those who know how to access it. Laws passed by the government to limit that information might make it more expensive to get, but believe me, it can be gotten.

Now having said that, you have to understand that almost nobody is looking at individuals unless there's a good legal reason. Because of my p.i. license, I have access to a whole range of databases, but the misuse of that information will cost me my livliehood and possbily my freedom.

People who think that the goverment is spending time looking at them individually, are just kidding themselves. There is not enough government in this country to do that. And businesses look at trends and demographics, not individuals.

It's not 1984 people. I haven't seen abortions become illegal and the president is not a king, nor will he become one anytime soon. Grow up.

OMA did hit the nail with his head on one comment...

Have you played your Ovation today?
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2006-12-16 10:24 PM (#226771 - in reply to #226680)
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Well said Sleepy Bones Lee!!!

There are enough services available that for $50.00 you can find out just about anything important about anyone in a matter of seconds. A little research and you can find out just about everything.

I highly recommend people just type their own name into Google. All that info is free.
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2006-12-17 6:10 AM (#226772 - in reply to #226680)
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wow, just found out I'm a Judge and an aerospace engineer... ;)

is that why you guys were all so nice when I first showed up?

sorry, not me...

Glenn
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