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Location: SoCal | This was emailed directly to me through eBay. Gee, and I have only a few view lots on Saturn left to sell
~First of all,thank you for the time to read this.
I saw on Ebay that you are interested in buyng a guitar and I am contacting you becasue I also have one for sale.
It was my fathers guitar and he just bought it of Ebay also.I don`t know how much it`s worth but I know hat he spent over 6000 USD for it and that he took great care of it.I am seeling it because my father died and I don`t have no need in it because I don`t know how to play.
It is a 1997 Olson SJ Cutaway with Indian RW back and sides and cedar top.
The quitar is in the best shape ever.It's a cutaway model, with the factory installed pickup, ebony tuners and gold hardware. Comes with tweed OHSC.
My father used to love this guitar and he took great care of It.He was allmoust scared to play it,fearing that we will scratch it or something like that.
My price for the guitar will be only 6000 USD and I will also include insured shippement in that price.
So,if you are interested in my guitar,please email me back for pics.
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Location: Scotland | Olsen makes great guitars, though I doubt very much they'd fetch $6K used. Regardless of that I'd be very wary of an approach like this, if he's a legitimate seller he should list it for sale on the site rather than trawling through ebay looking for email addresses. |
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Location: SoCal | Elderly Instruments is selling one of the same model for $12,000 (who knows if they'll get it).
http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/20U-8464.htm
But I agree with Paul T. I'd be very leary of somebody coming on with a sale like this. Especially now if you start to think that it's incredibly under priced.
Best to deal with people who have a track record (ebay) or that you know (local stores). |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | This smells like a scam. Smells like those junk emails offering to make you money, if you just give them some money to get started. Beware. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | It may not be a scam, but it violates eBay rules.
I would just respond asking why he doesn't list it. |
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Location: SoCal | Me no stupid, sometimes brain dead but not stupid...you should have seen the deal on Adobe products (worked w/Adobe on that one.)
Heck, that's way out of my leaque. Wonder how many this guy has mailed to...not like I bought anything in that price range. Most expensive eBay guitar was the #6759 CL12 for $650. I don't think you can find another guitar (other than Ovation and the made in China Jay Turser jazz guitars) which gives you such a value for the cost - now and in the future.
Bet he would have taken an offer for $1,500. Of course, he wouldn't ship until he had my money and I would never see the guitar. |
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Location: Scotland | Ask him where he lives & wherever it may be tell him you live close by or are visiting soon & can you call round with cash to see the guitar. If he's genuine you'll get his adress & number, if he's scamming you'll never hear from him agian. |
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Location: SoCal | I told him I was just interested in Ovation/Adamas, Martin, or Rickenbacker 12string...actually, at this time, just Ovation.
Not going to bother.
Seems strange to have a wonderful Martin D28K2 just hanging on the wall but all I ever seem to pick up is a 1619 CL or the 6759 CL. Probably I shouldn't have let the 12-string Preacher get past me:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553447552&category=2384&rd=1 |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Tony
Your remark about not getting the 12 string Preacher reminded me of my 12 string theory.
In 20 years the only 12 strings that will still be playable, will be Ovations. All others will have shed their necks and retreated to France where they will live out their lives as tables at sidewalk cafes where they will be cursed with hearing conversations comparing Leadbelly with some mincing French 9 string player (12 is to much to handle) who has mastered 1/2 of a Glen Campbell song from his Mr 12 String album.
Bailey (I could be wrong, it might be 1/4th of a G Campbell song.) |
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Location: SoCal | Did you ever notice how many non-Ovation 12-string players detune the strings to protect the neck?
Concert pitch? Gee, what's that?
And finish cracks? First Martin was D-18 12-string - wasn't long until had stripped out tuners (open) and a crack from upper right about 7 inches - thru wood. Gee, Martin sealed the crack. As guitar was perfect otherwise, too bad they didn't replace the top on a one year old. Sold that turkey right away. Yet I love the D28K2 that I've had since 1981. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Tony
The problem is, every brand has tried to put 12 strings on their 6 string design, and not adjust for the extra tension for fear the sound would suffer. The sound survived but the guitars perished, I had a few 12 strings in my youth that were hopeless if you wanted to play in standard pitch, going out of tune is no fun when you are showing off your newest Glen Campbell "Mr 12 String" rip off. I was a great fan of those albums, and still have them stashed here somewhere, but I got sucked into playing bluegrass mandolin, and drifted away from 12 strings, but I intend to come back. If it wasn't for the Bluegrass, I would have bought an Ovation 12 string in the 70's as I had figured out they were the only 12 strings that could take standard tuning and survive. I got talked into playing mandolin with all those bands because nobody else wanted to play an instrument with double strings, and I had already been corrupted on a 12 string.
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Location: SoCal | I've got two 12 strings, Big Blue and an old 1969 GC 12 that was a recent gift. I'm going to put heavier strings and Big Blue and tune it down, but the only reason I'm going to do that is to get different sounds out of it. Ovation 12's are so great because from the beginning, you never had to tune them down from concert pitch. In the late 60's and early 70's the only other 12 string guitar that was built for concert pitch was the Guild 12 string and that guitar was heavy as an anvil because it had two truss rods built into the neck for strength.
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Location: Central Oregon | Will the old Rickenbachers (sp?) take concert pitch? Not that I'd ever consider replacing my Elite 12, I'm just curious.
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Location: SoCal | Rickenbackers (correct spelling) will go to concert pitch, but they are an electric guitar and the strings are lighter (I think). |
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Location: Scotland | Actually "Rickenbacher" with an "H" is the correct spelling and this is the name that appeared on their instruments until the mid 30's. The name was changed to the anglicised spelling with a "K" probably to avoid any Germanic connections, due to the political situation in Europe at that time |
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Location: NJ | Ric 12's are very difficult to play |
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Location: SoCal | Not serious for a Ric...staying with Custom Legend or an Adamas in the future...if I go Adamas route, will research prior postings and have questions as I really don't understand the quality/differences of various models and years. Hopefully, Al will have one or can find me one in the future. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Just a trivia note, I read somewhere that Rickenbacker reversed the strings and put the unwound ABOVE the wound, or was it some other brand? Anybody heard this bit of trivia? |
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Location: Scotland | Bailey, that is correct, On Ricky 12's the Octave strings are below the regular strings |
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Location: Las Vegas | Wow, that's really interesting... wouldn't it make ricky 12's sound subtly different when being played, during strumming and/or while arpegiating chords? Would it be possible at all, or would there be any drawback, to stringing an Ovation electric 12-string the same way then? (Sorry if it's a really ignorant question; I'm a producer not a guitarist!)
Very interesting! Thanks!
Les
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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Bailey, that is correct, On Ricky 12's the Octave strings are below the regular strings |
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Location: Scotland | Rick 12's do have a unique sound, but that's only partially due to the reverse stringing. You could do the same to an Ovation 12 but you'd need to cut a new nut. On Ovation solidbody 12's the intonation is preset with different string lenths for the regular & octave strings and is not adjstable, so Ricky-style stringing would not be a great idea. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I've done that to an Adamas D 12 (reverse the strings) It is a nice effect. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | On Ovation solidbody 12's the intonation is preset...
Which reminds me of something I have been curious about.
On the solid-body twelve bridges, the high E, B, and D string saddles are non-compensated while the G, A and low E are compensated. Why is this? To me, the G and D saddles should be reversed, as the G strings are both unwound.
Any body know the reason?
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Location: Scotland | Wayne, there is obviously some compromise involved in a fixed saddle, especially with a 12-string & the intonation will only be as good as it can get with a specific gauge of strings & action. The compensation built into the Deacon & P Deluxe (and Bluebird, obviously) 12 string bridge works pretty well, though I'd guess it would be worth knowing the string guages they installed at the factory. I have pretty heavy strings on my Deacon 12 & while the intonation isn't perfect it's as close as any of my acoustics |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Wow
There should be a "best of" archive on the board, and this thread would be one of them. |
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interesting - a scam??
