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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | Had Antiques Roadshow on last night and wasn't really watching until this lady had two National Steel Body Resonator guitars, the amazing thing was that the serial numbers were in order!!
Cool. :cool:
I just went and looked up the Roadshow website, the guitars were circa 1934, one she bought "when she was younger" and the other recently from a friend in California, wasn't until she got the second one that she realized the serial numbers were in sequence. Pair appraised at $12,000....
Now where's that resonator O????
There was also this lady with a Beatles "Yesterday and Today" album with the "butcher" cover, apparently only in stores one day - the day the lady bought it at Sears that one day they were on sale, it was still in mint condition...
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Location: Burbank | I am sure it went for a lot. I had a co-worker who had aquired one from a radio station many years ago. It was not in the best condition, but because it was 1st state, meaning never been pasted over, the guy I sent him to sold it for $2000! Ok, everyone start looking through you albums now! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Paul, do you happen to remember which Nationals they were? For 6 each they must have been tricones. The only resonater Ovation Al has. It was something I started but never finished. As it turns out it's the spyder type of sound system like dobros, not the biscuit or tricone like Nationals. |
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Location: NJ | cwk they were both tricones and square necks lily of the valley pattern. they were consecutive numbers. VERY clean but I would think the round necks would be more valuable IMHO.
I find most of the estimates for guitars on that show quite laughable. there was a stomberg super 400 there once and I think they listed it at 20K I bet it would bring twice that easy. |
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Location: Scotland | I'd agree, roundneck tricones are a lot rarer, and certainly over here go for way more than the square necks, which are by no means common, but crop up occasionaly. A friend of mine sold his style 1 roundneck tricone for over £4K nearly 10 years ago, but then any National, pretty much regardless of style, originality or condition fetch premium prices over here. I thought that the plethora of cheap Chinese & Eastern-European copies might have affected the vintage National market somewhat, but it appears not. It's also amazing the amount of small-shop builders making expensive replica & original design Reso's in the UK & Europe. There's two I know of in my part of the country.
I'm intrigued & a little envious that the US version of a classic Brit TV show features cool guitars. All we get on Antiques Roadshow over here is shitty 500 year old furniture & paintings. Yawn. |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | Yeah, the "Lilly of the Valley" pattern was really nice, except they didn't show it in detail. Another interesting instrument somebody had was a manodlin made from artillery shells, I forget what the appraiser was calling the work: stuff made by WWI soldiers that were usually recouperating and took spent artillery shells and made stuff out of and carved designs in the metal, etc. The mandolin had no strings, no telling if it was even playable, interesting nonetheless.
Yeah, Paul T., seen several guitars on AR USA version, lots of Indian stuff, you know us Americans, 30 years can make it an antique!! :)
What's always good is when they feature items because they are fake antiques, just when the person thought they had something worth a lot.... |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I've only seen the show a couple of times, the first featured a vintage martin...didn't seem to fetch much according to the 'expert.' I just saw the show with the two nationals... nice looking guitars.
Paul Wag- they were calling that mandolin 'trench art'. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | OK Lilly is a style 3. There's one on fleabag now and it shoulod go for about4K. If it was a round neck it would be 20.
Here's a rough chart
style 1, no engr sq 2-3 round 7-10
style 2, rose sq 2-3 round 10-15
style 3 lily sq 3-4 round 15-20
style 4 chrysanthemum sq 4-5 round 20-25
The square necks that are detachable will bring as little more since you can take them off and have a round one made. Actually I think there were more round necks made than square through out their history. Without a doubt the tricones have a more interesting sound than the single cones. |
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Location: NJ | Bill
if I remember there were not rods in those national necks and most of them turned into bows. I have a 30 something duolian that someone took steel wool to the top finish since it turned black. the neck is round but unplayable. I always thought about getting another neck made for that someday... but it is one of a million projects in my life |
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Location: Scotland | That's the beauty of playing slide or lap-style. You don't need a straight neck. Al, you wanna sell that Duolian? |
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Location: NJ | HELL NO
I bought it from a guy in 1975 or 6 I think I paid him $40 for it. I used to do the coffeehouse scene with it tuned in open E doing a VERY cheap imitation of rory gallagher and johnny winter. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Al, you're right in that the necks didn't have any reinforcement. Some do warp but most I've seen are pretty straight. I've got about 30 of these have only had neck problems with one of them and ot was a duolian too. Many need serious set up to play again like they should. When the style 5 tricone was refurbished Don Young (Natl resophonic) put in a couple of grafite strips under the fingerboard to help keep it straight. |
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Location: NJ | cwk2
here is a pic of my duolian front and back if I can make this link work. if not go to my gallery.
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by alpep:
cwk2
here is a pic of my duolian front and back if I can make this link work. if not go to my gallery.
edited to add: screw it this is too frustrating just go to the gallery
thanks
al |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I will add a way to get the link easier in the gallery. But until then.
1. Look at image.
2. right-click on image
3. select properties.
4. highlight the URL
5. Creat the post and paste and click the
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6. paste the previously copied URL.
OR For many browsers...
1. Look at image.
2. right-click on image
3. select VIEW IMAGE.
4. highlight the URL
5. Creat the post and paste and click the
button.
6. paste the previously copied URL.
I like the second method myself |
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Location: NJ | That's a NICE one, Al!!
(too bad about the "steel-wool" though - fuckin' philistenes!)
I especially like the handle on the case :) |
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Location: NJ | I think the guy I bought it from tried to clean it before he sold it and then sold it to me after he made a mistake. The neck was twisted from the day I bought it.
CWK do you think they can fix the neck or make me a new one? There I go another project that I cannot afford and don't need!!!!! |
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