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Lend27
Posted 2004-01-20 8:52 AM (#196909)
Subject: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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What do you guys plug into at home? Do you use any effects before the amp?

Len
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2004-01-20 9:12 AM (#196910 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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I use a small Rickenbacher Studio amp (1-10") at home and at performances (mostly Churchy/Rest Home venues) and on certain songs I also use a Boss Chorus pedal just to add color.... nothing more....

I find that my Ovations don't need much enhancement....

tim
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Eman
Posted 2004-01-20 3:19 PM (#196911 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Fender Acoustasonic Junior. Amp has several effects built-in and 60W so puts out for stage too. Also has XLR jack for my Custom Legend. Sound is very crisp, plenty of bass and all shades in between.
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Paul Wag
Posted 2004-01-20 3:54 PM (#196912 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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I use a Genz-Benz Shenandoah 85 - great sound. Built for acoustic instruments...
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2004-01-21 4:38 PM (#196913 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question



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I like some chorus on my sound, and at home usually plug into acoustic amps for more than just noodling around. Most of these amps do have effects, now, and there are a lot of them out there.

One killer little amp for the money that I just sold is a Crate CA-30. It really puts out a lot of sound for the price. The chorus, however, is on or off. The player who bought it from me needed a stage monitor with a DI, and the little Crate is a great buy at both.

I have a Fender Acoustasonic 30, which has a nice tiltback feature. For the money, it isn't any better than the Crate.

The amps for acoustic guitar that have really impressed me lately are the Genz-Benz Shenandoah 100 units. BIG sound, great controls, Alesis digital effects, and can be stand mounted which is useful if one is using the amp for both guitar and vocal as it is made for. I haven't tried the smaller G-B's, but am very impressed with the quality. Another kudo for Kaman!
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cliff
Posted 2004-01-21 5:51 PM (#196914 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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I use an ART(Applied Research Technologies) "Acoustic" pedal.
Has a bunch of effects bundled together strictly for acoustic guitar. Even has a "Warm" button that makes a piezo guitar sound a little more "natural" - I never use it.
It has a bunch of neat choruses, delays, flanges, echoes, and the like. Unless I'm playing something REALLY off the wall, the only thing I use alot is the "Detuned Chorus" in live situations. XLR out and a stereo headphone jack that I'll plug a pair of small bi-amped speakers into when I wanna "plug-in" quietly.

Playing-out, I use a Peavey 250W 5-channel PA system driving two Peavey 12"w/horn cabinets and a Fender bi-amped monitor speaker.
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2004-01-21 6:00 PM (#196915 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question



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Cliff,

Just a question of curiousity: what is the purpose of biamping a monitor for acoustic guitar?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-21 6:09 PM (#196916 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Having separate amplifiers with correct crossover points for each frequency range improves the efficiency, headroom & clarity of any sound system, regardless of it's intended application.
The new Fishman "loudbox" acoustic amp is tri-amped. Heard one at NAMM, very impressive. The 500watt version should be killer. Their new acoustic pedal sounded pretty good also.
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2004-01-21 6:13 PM (#196917 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question



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I certainly understand that point about sound systems, Paul. It just sounds a bit over the top unless one needs very high definition sound in a monitor.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-21 6:15 PM (#196918 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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I don't think it's over the top at all. Monitor clarity is essential. I for one am more fussy about my monitor sound than the FOH sound. It really pisses me off when I play venues with state-of-the-art front of house sound-systems & third-rate shitty monitoring. I'm seriously considering investing in a high-quality in-ear personal monitor system that I can hook up to a spare send on the stage box.
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cliff
Posted 2004-01-21 6:54 PM (#196919 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Actually the bi-amped monitor came out of neccesity. My Peavey PA head is an older model (500RC or some similar nonsense) and the "monitor" output is not amplified. The vast majority of places we play are bars/clubs that tend to be quite noisy. With a good, rollicking crowd, I/we have a hard time hearing ourselves. Often times I'll have ended up straining my pipes for the last hour or so of the night. I looked into a "hotspot" monitor, but I didn't think it'd be hefty enough. A big Mackie unit'd been SWEET, but I generally don't have enough floor space (nor cai$h right now). The Fender unit doesn't take up a lot of space and packs a wallop for it's diminutive size (even has guitar/mic jacks to use as a small practice amp).
It's predominantly for monitoring vocals, but I dial my guitar into the monitor mix so I can hear that clearly as well.
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2004-01-21 6:56 PM (#196920 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question



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I think it's over the top when you want your monitors clearer than the FOH... I would rather have the audience hear the best sound in the house unless the sound man is hitting the 'suck' button.

Don't misunderstand me: I am for clarity in the monitors, and the greater the stage volume the greater the need.

Let me know how you go on the in ear system. I am very interested in such, tho prices are still high for good ones.
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Nils
Posted 2004-01-22 12:09 AM (#196921 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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I have a little Shenandoah Jr. I bought a few months ago that I've been very happy with. Two inst. jacks that are individually adjustable plus one mic & a line out for a mixer board so it can be used for a monitor. Has a little built in tilt thingy on the bottom & 15 or so built in effects. I think it's 30 watts. It's more than enough for at home or the small parties I play. It's fairly light & compact & seems sturdy. I haven't hauled it around a lot yet but so far so good.
I sometimes shut off the effects & use a Zoom 505 ahead of it. I need to get the acoustic model (504?) but the 505 is what I have so that's what I use. It seems to sound pretty good, although I suppose the acoustic model would probably sound better or they wouldn't make such a thing.
I admit to being far (very far) behind the curve regarding modern electronic gear.

/\/\/
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-22 3:57 AM (#196922 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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It's not that I want the monitor sound better than FOH. I just expect the monitoring to be of a good enough standard to get a monitor mix where I can hear myself & the other components of the mix I need, to a standard at least as good as the main mix. A poor monitor system can adversly affect the performance, so the audience get to hear you at less than your best, through a great FOH system. On gigs where we use house sound & know the monitors aren't up to scratch I've started carrying my Mackie SRM450s as monitors.

On the subject of Mackie, they were showing a new active bi-amped speaker at NAMM. Basically it's a compact lower-powered version(300 wats maybe) of the SRM450 with a 10inch woofer & a compression horn. They'll make a great monitor system, or ideal main system for acoustic guitars & vocals in clubs of up to maybe 150 capacity. A single speaker will make a killer acoustic amp with a little mixer or something like a Boss AD5 in front.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2004-01-22 4:26 PM (#196923 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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PT, I think a lot of clubs use huge state-of-the-art sound systems in FOH just for how it looks in print. I think I am one of the few people I know that set up the monitor system FIRST then worry about FOH. If the band can't hear themsleves, it's gonna suck, and if they CAN hear themsleves, even if they aren't the greatest act, but if they can hear themselves, you can work magic on the FOH. You can't do anything for the audience (or to help the band) if they are just screaming, and hoping to hit the notes they can't hear. I'm with ya, crisp, clean, no-feedback, monitors are the goal. FOH will work itself out.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-22 6:36 PM (#196924 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Miles, You wanna come live over here and do our sound? I have great monitors. I can't pay a lot but I can promise you lots of sex. Our drummer gets drunk a lot after shows and he couldn't care less.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-01-22 7:09 PM (#196925 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Excuse me, I gotta go heave.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-22 7:17 PM (#196926 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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That's what our drummer said right after the blow-job he gave you.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2004-01-22 7:38 PM (#196927 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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It was the broccli
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peterbright
Posted 2004-01-22 7:52 PM (#196928 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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That type of wart can be frozen off. Consult an infectious disease specialist.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-22 8:25 PM (#196929 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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OK, now I gotta go heave
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2004-01-22 8:28 PM (#196930 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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Hey, acoustic amplification to genital warts in around 20 posts. That must be some kind of record.............. or maybe an idea for a game show
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peterbright
Posted 2004-01-22 9:13 PM (#196931 - in reply to #196909)
Subject: Re: Just got my first Ovation........... I have a question


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And the winner gets...three free social diseases.
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