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nosajwp
Posted 2008-11-26 2:46 PM (#9798)
Subject: Things to help achieve a "delicate" tone...


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I'm looking for a more delicate strummed tone from my '05 Collectors. Kind of bold and in-your-face right now. Where should I start...picks, strings, technique? What would you guys do first?

Finally...a post where I'm not trying to sell it!
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schroeder
Posted 2008-11-26 2:49 PM (#9799 - in reply to #9798)
Subject: Re: Things to help achieve a "delicate" tone...


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Try a delicate touch.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-26 3:00 PM (#9800 - in reply to #9798)
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... then strings.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-11-26 3:09 PM (#9801 - in reply to #9798)
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Both right. It's mostly in your technique, but you can try lighter strings......
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twistedlim
Posted 2008-11-26 3:25 PM (#9802 - in reply to #9798)
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Any string recommendations? I am new to this ovation stuff and wonder what everyone prefers here?
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Capo Guy
Posted 2008-11-26 3:33 PM (#9803 - in reply to #9798)
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Originally posted by twistedlim:
Any string recommendations? I am new to this ovation stuff and wonder what everyone prefers here?
And the fun begins.

I use D'Addario Custom lights.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-11-26 3:34 PM (#9804 - in reply to #9798)
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Try silk and steel strings.
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Beal
Posted 2008-11-26 3:43 PM (#9805 - in reply to #9798)
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Try a Taylor, that will give you a much less in your face tone. In fact it will be much less tone overall.............
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dweezil
Posted 2008-11-26 3:48 PM (#9806 - in reply to #9798)
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Work on your touch and tone. Practise, and then some more. Then some more and again.

Keep going. Don't stop.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-26 4:11 PM (#9807 - in reply to #9798)
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Oh yeah, I forgot one... don't use a pick. I rarely do (I can't seem to hold onto 'em while playing!).
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twistedlim
Posted 2008-11-26 5:11 PM (#9808 - in reply to #9798)
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Thanks folks, Iffy what is a pick? :)
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2008-11-26 5:22 PM (#9809 - in reply to #9798)
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...what are picks?




....hehehehehe
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Beal
Posted 2008-11-26 5:22 PM (#9810 - in reply to #9798)
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a plectrum
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Beal
Posted 2008-11-26 5:25 PM (#9811 - in reply to #9798)
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actually using a fatter pick will achieve some of that. An old bluegrass trick the boys showed me is use the blunt edge of the pick for a fatter rhythm tone. I've been using a .060 pick for sometime which is considered heavy or xheavy. Get one of those and use the rounded edge, not the point.
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-11-26 6:09 PM (#9812 - in reply to #9798)
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Play while standing barefoot on a flat of eggs.
That always works.


"Delicate" tone? Heck, bang on that thing so they can *hear you at the back! (for those who play at home make that; *hear you at the neighbours!)
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2008-11-26 7:05 PM (#9813 - in reply to #9798)
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Throw the pick away and use your thumb, or better yet, your thumb and all your fingers. BUT, if you must use a pick, there is a company called Micro that makes a felt pick. I never tried one, but they are in my catalog. They aren't cheap so I haven't ordered any, but if you're interested in trying them shoot me a PM.
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lanaki
Posted 2008-11-26 7:26 PM (#9814 - in reply to #9798)
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+1 what beal says about using the blunt edge of a pick. i've been using that technique for years. and now that i give it thought, i never use the pointed end of a pick anymore. blunt edge habit. and +1 on bobbo's recommend of using silk and steel strings. using a thumb/fingers to strum may work for you. thumb will generate a mellower sound than fingers. felt picks will shed all over the front of your instrument and down your pants! they are decent for ukulele and autoharp though.
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-11-26 8:04 PM (#9815 - in reply to #9798)
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Technique is important, but playing with different string and pick combinations can work. Jim Dunlop make some really light plectrums. I use a white 0.46mm pick a lot of the time and used to use their superthin 0.38mm pick. These don't generate much volume, but are fairly subtle.

However, if your pick is too thin, you will end up compensating by hitting the strings with your nails anyway (check for black marks on your fingernails to see if you are doing this).

For technique, practice strumming some easy chord progressions and paying close attention to the sound coming from your guitar. Make sure the face of the guitar is nice and upright and check your posture in a mirror.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-26 10:10 PM (#9816 - in reply to #9798)
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Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):
(check for black marks on your fingernails to see if you are ...
... due for a string change!)
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FlySig
Posted 2008-11-27 1:52 PM (#9817 - in reply to #9798)
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Pick material can make a big difference in sound. Softer picks have a softer tone. The really hard picks cause a harsher shriller tone.

Note that this is hardness, not thickness. A basic Fender Medium pick is a good starting place. I prefer the Tortex picks, but they are pretty similar to Fenders.

Phosphor Bronze strings are a good choice, and less brassy than 80/20 strings. I haven't tried Silk n Steels on my O's, but one used '06 Koa Collector Ovation at the Guitar Center has old Silk n Steel on it, and it is definitely not harsh or bright.

Strum further from the bridge.
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nosajwp
Posted 2008-12-08 12:32 PM (#9818 - in reply to #9798)
Subject: Re: Things to help achieve a "delicate" tone...


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I figured out what I was looking for. There is a guy I know who has a very delicate sound, and that was what I was after...it's mainly the way he plays some of his chords. For most of the chords he plays on his acoustic, he plays them with the high B and E open...lots of different chords too. Is this some kind of special technique, or is it just alternate chord fingerings? Here is an example...when I play a B major, I just bar the 2nd fret and play it like a normal A chord...when this guy does it, he plays it similarly, but he leaves the high B and E open, so there is a very delicate, jangly, shimmery sound. I love this kind of sound, and would like to apply it to more of the chords I play. Anyone have any tips?
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-12-08 4:44 PM (#9819 - in reply to #9798)
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The B chord you speak of represents a doubling of the B note instead of the D# and an E note instead of the F# on the first string. I'm not very good with chord theory, but I think the chord signature would then be B/E (no 3rd). For a similar chord sound, start with an open E chord, then play an A and then a B in the position, but leave the 1st, 2nd and 6th strings open and strum fully. Written out, it would look like E, A/E and B/E. I think. Nice tone for some things. If you like this sound, then you ought to love D tuning.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-12-08 6:34 PM (#9820 - in reply to #9798)
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Sounds to me like the


I typed this up from info on Paul Baloche's website. It gives a full, ringing sound. But unlike what BB's describing, you don't play the 6th string on the 4 or 5 chord. Give it a try at least. It's an easy way to get a different sound for some songs.

HERE is the article from Paul B's website that gives more background.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-12-08 6:57 PM (#9821 - in reply to #9798)
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I knew I wasn't clear. The A and B are played in the barre positions (5th and 7th frets) but with open B and E strings. The effect is similar to playing in D tuning. On the other hand, this is not "delicate" tuning to my ear. There's too much ringing. Delicate to me is via lighter arpeggio picking.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-12-08 7:38 PM (#9822 - in reply to #9798)
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Gotcha. I'll try that.
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