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Location: Vermont USA | Moody you are blessed.
Love ya
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Nick I have played and owned some all wood guitars. I am new to Ovation but so far it's all good the balance of tone and volume pluged-in and unpluged, well all I can say is awesome. Also all of these people here are good even Cliff, I almost feel close to him in some weird way. I think you would like him also after all he's not a drummer.
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Location: SoCal | Paulcc, of course I'm blessed. I've got people like you, whom I've never met, yet we're still friends. How can life get better?
Just don't lay hands and feet on me. Been years since I've seriously scuffled. I might cry. Ugly sight. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | As has been said before in this thread, I also appreciate you sticking around to get a more complete perspective of your writings, GN-Nick. However, and once again, it becomes very apparent that bells are hard, if not impossible, to unring.
It's appreciated that you have recognized another view to your article and have even apologized for some of it. It would be great to see that in writing (and not just here in the OFC boardroom) as well.
I hope there's more to be written elsewhere because (and I come from a publishing background so I have some experience here) people have a tendency to believe what they read. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Nick,
I have owned my Balladeer for almost 35 years now. Still love it. If I did not have one I'd have to buy one.
Most here have seen the picture below but I thought I would post it for our new member and "special guest". Thanks for sticking around Nick.
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Location: Indiana | Originally posted by GN-Nick:
Perhaps you should read the article. I'm happy to discuss it after you have.
What would I say about Steinbergers? Probably not a good choice for a beginner considering a used guitar.
Which trem are you talking about? Are you including knock offs? The first go round or the latest? Most of my experience is with Steinberger basses.I have played a Steinerger Spirit XT (XL shaped) and found it to be not bad at all for the $$$. These can be had brand new for around $300. While I don't really have a need for one now-I have several of the graphite/graphite-necked ones-I do recommend them for someone in that price range. As far as their guitars go, I was referring to mainly the Spirit Line or Hohners(basically the same). These would have the R-Trem. Yea, I know, it's a lesser trem than the S or TransTrem, but we are talking about beginners, right. Best thing to do is lock it down, anyway. Again we are talking about a $300(sometimes less) guitar.....brand new.
If I were to have $500 to spend on a used Ovation? I have a matched pair of 85 collectors series(6 & 12 string) that I paid less than $400 for each of them.They are 20 years old and are both in excellent(but played) condition. Would I spend $500 on a used Martin or Taylor...you bet I would. Unlike some here, I really like Martins and Taylors....at the right price.Matter of fact, my acoustic bass is a Martin. I just happen to like Ovations more. Just personal taste, I guess.
FWIW, I did read your article today(took that long to find it).I didn't find it insulting nor did I get the opinion I was reading an article by a ...well you know.I did, IMHO, feel I was reading an article that,like most here, felt was bad advice. Or at least not complete.
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Location: Vermont USA | Paulcc, of course I'm blessed. I've got people like you, whom I've never met
Dear Moody you met my wife Eva and I at the OFC tour last month! Old guy with a beard, remember.
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Location: SoCal | The minister! Of course! And you are a friend. I greatly enjoyed meeting you and your wife.
It's been a long day in front of the computer instead of out on the street dealing with bad guys and traffic. My senses are dulled. I apologize for not remembering. |
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Location: Vermont USA | Paul it is better to be in front of a computer than messing with bad guys. Not as much money but your safe.
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Location: closely held secret | So get out there and stir up some trouble. |
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Location: NJ | Welcome Nick!
Hope there's no hard feelings (like I said, it was nothing personal).
Thanks fer stickin' around . . .
$500?
If I had $500 to spend on used Ovation, I'd probably go with Moody on the Legend - only I'd be compelled to go with a shallow bowl - to go with my s/b Legend12 for gigs. My deep bowl '76 CBalladeer is starting to get banged up a bit and (being that it was my first guitar) I'd like to keep it home.
If not that, maybe a mid-bowl EliteT (again, for gigs).
After that, a CountryArtist (if I could find one).
After that, a MagnumII bass.
After that, . . . . . (you get the idea . . . )
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Location: Upper Left USA | Well if Nick can apologize for saying "plastic" than I should apologize for dumping all the blame on him for not giving Ovations the respect they deserve.
Nick, hang around for a while and it may lead to few articles. We always have opinions and excel at spending other people's money on guitars.
For under $500 I would have to go with the Elite T and a Viper for choices. Balladeers are still the best value out there too. |
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Location: massachuetts | I have a 1980 1157-7 sounds better every time I pick it up. And even better when my step son plays it. Old O's rock!! |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by GN-Nick:
So if you had $500 to plonk down on a used older Ovation, what model would you pick and why?
Remember not to use big words, I'm an F'in Idiot. :) A Legend,1980 - 1995, in good condition:
1117-deep bowl acoustic
1717-deep bowl electric/acoustic
1767/1777-deep bowl electric/acoustic CA
1867-shallow bowl electric/acoustic CA
Why? These are the best sounding, best playing, best made, most durable, guitars out there for the money and the electric/acoustic models have tried and true electronics that work flawlessly. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | I didn't realize that a used Elite T can be had for $500, considering they've only been out for a few years and they go for $750 or so new. They are a bit non-conventional looking, but play and sound great and have really superior electronics with an on-board chromatic tuner. Here's one on eBay now for $499, shipping included:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7338212219&categ... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I was a sucessful Bottom Feeder in the land of ebay on one for $435 total. There was some risk involved. |
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| I am not sure about $500 perhaps a nice old Legend? But for $600 a just saw a couple of real nice older "Custom Legend" Deep Bowl's go on Ebay. I think that will be my next choice if the timing is right? I have been an Adamas fan for some time and have passed over other Ovations to find what I was after in the past.
I have recently heard the sound from an older Legend and I was quite impressed. I think so far it has been the standard/deep bowl that sounds the best to me in any Ovation.
So Nick! Thanks for sticking around. Very pleased to see your not another one of the traditionalists who love to trash Ovations when they get the chance. I have read your article and it's not bad at all, really, but I am still amazed and a just a little skeptical that you ran into so many Ovations with the problems they had. This does not fit any pattern anyone in this group has seen. And the collective members of this group, through the years, have been given.... bought..... sold..... repaired..... borrowed.... and played more Ovations than any other bunch anywhere. So I go with what ever the concensus is in here before I listen to advice from anywhere else except the "Factory".
For an interesting article you might consider that each style Ovation guitar made has some pretty unique characteristics and with one company you can find Acoustic Guitars that satisfy so many different tastes for overall sound and price ranges.
Change the bowl size and you change the sound, Acoustically and also electronically. Change the material makeup of the Top and you once again change the sound acoustically and electronically. and On and On for each type of Ovation guitar. Now there are not many companies that can do that. And then consider the overall looks of each type.. it is mind boggling to see just how many different colors and woods and trim and materials these have and then there are so many different sound hole configurations, neck styles, etc. etc.! Personally I can't think of any company that comes close. It would make an interesting read. Of this I am sure.
For what it's worth... Thanks Nick
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I'm going to have to give Nick credit for having the stones to not only, join the club and post replies concerning his article, but also for his willingess to both, declare a bit of a mia culpa and then to ask us for information on the topic. Nick tip of the hat on those accounts...
...about the atricle...maybe Cliff would be willing to be your Editor. Just a thought.
and let's call it water under the bridge.
As to used O's...
You can get deep bowl "A" braced Legends for 500 bucks and "X" braced Balladeers obtained for under 500.
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1778T for $499 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Under $500? I got my Collector's for $500 and love it, but it isn't the best sounding O out there. The 1713 at $375 was a deal I couldn't pass up and I'd highly recommend it for anyone that wants a nylon string. I haven't paid over $500 for any of mine and for a beginner, I'd go with something like a Balladeer for $200 to $300. My daughter just started with an Ibanez AEL20 that is a beautiful guitar, but when I got her an amp, the electronics didn't work. If recommendations are made based on anecdotal evidence, I'd say steer away from Ibanez, but I wouldn't do that. |
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Location: NJ | Jeff; I don't think Nick needs (nor wants) me as an editor . . . he does just fine on his own.
Besides, I don't muck with other people's stuff.
I get into enough trouble on my own, thank you . . . |
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Location: Malden, Massachusetts | Before we get too far over this madness - go back and reread Cliff's "riot act" one more time....only picture those words coming out of that face.
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| All righty then, let me think how to do this...
I'll start the article with an explanation of how I got into this. I'll correct the obvious error(s) in the prior article. Next I'll post some questions here and include the answers interview style. Then I'll see if I can get a explanation of the various model numbers.
Finally I'll let the readers know which of the sub $500 OLDER Ovations I bought.
Any other ideas?
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Stay clear of any old Ovation???
